AlexTheMartian
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oh god, not IMDb message boards, those are full of the most hating people on the planet. just like YouTube comments, lol.
I'd put some comments in here regarding the last season, but they are spoilers, so i won't
I'd put some comments in here regarding the last season, but they are spoilers, so i won't
Do! just put[*spoiler=season7]comments[/spoiler] (without *)
Actually, I was thinking it more in terms of DnD stats. Intelligence and Wisdom are equal (as important as each other), but cover different things. Malcolm can do calculations, knows stuff, and generally is 'academically' much smarter than Dewey. He knows stuff.
Dewey, however, thinks. He plans, he can manipulate, he can act innocent well. We have simply not seen him do any of the 'brainy' intelligence type stuff that malcolm does.
Malcolm's main problem is that he knows lots, but doesn't discern well. He thinks lots, but not about the right things! And he overthinks to a great extent.
I'd put some comments in here regarding the last season, but they are spoilers, so i won't
hvg3akaek said:Also, after spending time with Francis, Dewey has the 'rock on' attitude.
Actually, I would say yesLike I've previously stated in this thread, simply knowing everything you ever learned from school does not, on its own, signify how intelligent you are. Is someone with the benefit of private education automatically smarter than some rural inhabitant in a third world country who never had the luxury of learning to read?
For sure, Dewey is shown to be more gifted than your average kid at the same age! I have no disagreements thereAnd I've also stated that of the two, Malcolm's educational progress is the better documented. We have scant knowledge of Dewey's academic performances, but that doesn't mean they're worth nothing. If you want proof of Dewey's genius beyond his musical accomplishments, look at
That is indeed possible, but as it is not shown, it is just a theory 'Arguing from silence' wont win you your point.I believe the reason for that is if being the family's "golden boy" means being under Lois constant supervision, than Dewey will decide to hide his mental prowess.
Yeah but he was probably only going around saying that because he thought it sounded cool.
I think this is a good point. The boys were definitely portrayed differently so that the show would be interesting.It's just the way they show him as really good at practically everything is not to my liking however I am gald he is portrsaed in a better light than Malcolm because Malcolm can be a bit of a grouch.
In addition - two different people both given the same education would not retain the same amount of information. The one who retained more, I would say, is smarter. At least, they are more intelligent
True, or perhaps Dewey just doesn't care.this example could be used to argue that Malcolm is more observant than Dewey...
Actually, I would say yes
Knowing things is a big part of an IQ test.
In addition - two different people both given the same education would not retain the same amount of information. The one who retained more, I would say, is smarter. At least, they are more intelligent
Knowledge can be an advantage for various reasons, but it is not an actual part of intelligence. One could take an I.Q. test twice and the results from each one might might differ from a few points. If literates were truely smarter than those without their education, than how did Temujin (the future Genghis Khan) defeat in war the armies of China and Islamic Samarkand, whose leaders and generals were very likely well-read? My point here is that while general education is helpful, it does not alone make you any brighter than you are. But from here, lets not stray from the main topic.
For sure, Dewey is shown to be more gifted than your average kid at the same age! I have no disagreements there
But, it is a different giftedness than what Malcom has. To say it is 'better' is, I believe, simply incorrect. As always, we can only go from what we have seen - and that is that Malcom is super smart. He is great at mathematics, science, even history, from the pilot, we are shown he has artistic talent above the rest of the class, andHe was the smartest of the Krelboyne class (and by the look of it, by a lot - see "Emancipation"), as well as being shown to be smarter than the ex-Krelboyne teacher, Mr. HerkabeSpoiler for season seven:we also see that he has a great affinity for dancing.Spoiler for season seven:especially in "Malcolm Defends Reese", where it looks like he can beat Herkabe's score without much effort, whereas Herkabe strained and studied like crazy to get there.
Dewey simply doesn't have the same achievements.
Like I said, we know practically nothing of Dewey's achievements in school. So its hard to judge either's intelligence on that front. I'm all to well aware of Malcolm's progress, we know enough of Reese's progress, or lack thereoff, and we know that Francis' schoolwork was, at best, of an average calibre, but all we know of Dewey's experience is that he spent a year in the Busey class, and he definately didn't stay there as long as he did for his own benefit. But his school at one point deemed him clever enough to be considered for the Krelboyne class, and for all we know, perhaps he did eventually make it. It is speculation, yes, but there is no reason to doubt it either.
That is indeed possible, but as it is not shown, it is just a theory 'Arguing from silence' wont win you your point.Spoiler for season seven:You might as well say that Jamie is smarter than Malcolm because he learnt to do the 'pretend to throw chocolate' trick with Reece whilst 2, and it took Malcolm until 5 to learn that. I don't think this works either - not only is Reece older, but Jamie has more brothers to learn from
Alot of Dewey's schemes were done independently. And their success was often due to him not bragging about to anyone. He trusts himself more than he does others. His silence on certain matters has helped him out enormously. Whats more, he can think on the spot how to improve the situation he's in, while Malcolm spends precious moments weighing the pros and cons. The main defining difference between Malcolm and Dewey's intelligence, I think, is that Dewey is an innovator and creator. Most of what he achieved was entirely scaled down in his own mind before it appeared in reality. While Malcolm, as well educated as he is, is hard put to construct something without some instructive guidelines available. Do you think that some inventor or artist without the benefit of formal education from a previous age has a lesser intellect than some descending scholer who knows all about that persons achievements, but not themselves capable of the same creative standards? I would not have thought so. As for Jamie, while he does seem to be very intelligent in his own right, its to early to figure out how he will manage as he gets older.
Oh...Spoiler for season seven:and in "Hal Grieves", it is Reece and Dewey who are milking their father. Malcolm spots Hal's problem before the others, and cares about it too. Until the car... :drool: But this example could be used to argue that Malcolm is more observant than Dewey...
So yes, Dewey is gifted, but is he smarter or more intelligent than Malcolm? I still think not. Will he succeed more in life? Probably, because he does not have some of Malcolm's more annoying traits :laugh:
Ah well, then i see little point in continuing If we cannot even agree on what "smart" means, we will just be at odds!I disagree. I would argue that one simply has a larger capacity for short-term memory.
Yep, thankyou!NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Malcolm is definately smarter in IQ and also in stress situations remember the episode where the boys went to therapy in season 3 because hal thought they had damaged his car? well dewey and reese said how malcolm always gets them out of bad situations which suggests his smart in the real world as well. yea so dewey can manipulate and stuff he is much musically talented than malcolm but malcolm is smarter- IQ and in the real world.
So, clearly, no. That is not it. Time and time again we are shown how crazily smart Malcolm is - I think, given what we saw, the initial 165 IQ was on the low side. (those tests often have a failing on the ceiling side, that is, there is a hard maximum you can't go above) In high school, it was suggested that Malcolm simply didn't get an answer wrong. Ever. How can you truly grade that?One epsiode in Season Three. Thats it?