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Garbage Kills Megan
Jun 22, 2005, 03:13 AM
There are a lot of small details about the characters of the show that come up from time to time. I really appreciate this. They add little quirks and details to the characters that aren't really necessary to the plot, but just make things more interesting. And they don't forget about them later, the bring them up again and again. A lot of shows don't do things like this. They will make up something about a character for a joke, and never bring it up again. But I digress...

An example is Lois's fondness for baseball. We first see it when she goes to the batting cages in Lois's Birthday, and have seen it a few more times since then. Or Hal's severe fear of hights, which we see in a couple episodes. Francis's ability to play the piano is an interesting detail about him brought up a couple times.

What are some of your favorite details about the characters?

yardgames
Jun 22, 2005, 10:15 AM
That's a very interesting thead. I agree, there are a lot of details they bring up, that stick with them.

We see Hal show his affection for the boys more than Lois, I think. That's not to say that Lois doesn't love the boys, just to say that Hal is a bit easier going, and is happy with many things they do, because he loves them. Examples: Health Scare, Emancipation, Christmas Trees.

We found out that the only sport Malcolm actually likes and is good at is Basketball in Malcolm Holds His Tongue. They've revisited that idea since then, just as something that Malcolm is doing. It's in a cold open, at the end of If Boys Were Girls, etc.

I am interested to hear other people's thoughts on thsi topic.

Malcolm
Jun 22, 2005, 01:45 PM
I noticed that Malcolm seems to like dinosaurs very much.

I remember in Sleepover when he had a Tyrannosaurus rex model. And in several episodes we can see dinosaur items in his room. I think I remember also a Mamooth poster...

I dont know if it counts, but Dewey has some kind of strange gift with animals. He was able to control his huge pet in "Dewey's dog" without any kind of problem. Okay, maybe that was because he had feed the dog before, so the animal started seeing him as his friend... but, what about Tony, the fly?
Or maybe he is just insane, poor boy... :p

yardgames
Jun 22, 2005, 02:28 PM
Probably the latter.

I thought of anohter. Eric, Francis' friend from military school, has two fathers. It's referred to in at least two episodes, Mini Bike, and Jury Duty.

malcolminthemiddlerox
Jun 22, 2005, 04:32 PM
I love how Hal's afraid of heights. In many episodes Hal cracks me up due to this.

Malcolm
Jun 23, 2005, 03:03 PM
I almost forgot! In Surgery, Malcolm has a pijama with dinosaurs. :D

Malcolm
Jun 28, 2005, 01:07 AM
Another details: Reese likes sandwiches with aguacato, and Hal is afraid of Chucky and some other fictional characters...even from cartoons!!:p

Garbage Kills Megan
Jun 28, 2005, 02:42 AM
All the boys in the family refer to male parts as "nards"

yardgames
Jun 28, 2005, 10:49 AM
Anything else probably isn't appropriate for network TV. How would you go about referring to them?

Garbage Kills Megan
Jun 28, 2005, 04:20 PM
There are tons of silly names they could use that are ok for tv. Nads is much more common than nards. Or they could switch it around, and use a different one each time, but they always use nards, which I don't think I had really heard used before. It's just a variation on nads, but still. I dunno. It just makes it seem that it the Hals word of choice, so it became the boys too. It's cute!

yardgames
Jun 28, 2005, 07:16 PM
Well, okay then! If it's cute, we're good to go! Lol, I hate it when people say I'm cute, so I'm glad I'm not one of the boys you're referring to in this case.

MITM18
Jun 28, 2005, 07:23 PM
The word "Nards" is an abbreviated form of the word "Gonards" which itself is an abbreviated form of the words "Testicles."

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Nads is just another sland word for testicles/balls.

MITM18
Jun 28, 2005, 07:26 PM
Hal is afraid of Chucky and some other fictional characters...even from cartoons!!:p
Guess the writers just forgot about that one when Hal wanted to watch those scary movies with Reese :)

Garbage Kills Megan
Jun 28, 2005, 07:38 PM
You know a character detail that has always sort of baffled me? Reese's vanity. I wonder why they decided to do that. It never really has that much of a role.

yardgames
Jun 29, 2005, 10:38 AM
Guess the writers just forgot about that one when Hal wanted to watch those scary movies with Reese :)
More like Hal forgot about it; they scared him half to death. As I recall, he almost cut up Malcolm with a butcher knife when he tried to exchange his fruit roll-up. I think that detail has actually been rather prevelant throughout the series.

MITM18
Jun 29, 2005, 12:18 PM
Not really since at the beginning of the show he says that he loves scary movies and how exciting they are.

The movies Reese watched with Hal werent theatrical scary movies, more like Indie films where they are uncensored, and then he even got illegal scary movie bootlegs where they used real corpses.

Hal was shaken up after watching the scary movie and was just went crazy went he wasnt expecting Malcolm to be there.

Alot of people do that when your not expecting someone, you scream.

Another detail the writers have "forgotten" or just creativly written out of the story is Hal's scardness of robots, but if he was so scared of robots, why would he make one himself?

Its just the writers being creative.

ReMoss85
Jun 29, 2005, 01:20 PM
Guess the writers just forgot about that one when Hal wanted to watch those scary movies with Reese :)The movies he wanted to watch with Reese weren't cartoons with creepy dolls or robots. Granted, if someone's afraid of Chucky and the robot from the Jetsons you might think they'd be afraid of scary movies with people too, but they never revealed anything about him being scared of normal scary movies. "They Peeled My Face" and the other movies Reese picked out were just a bit too extreme for Hal's tastes.

ReMoss85
Jun 29, 2005, 01:27 PM
Hal was shaken up after watching the scary movie and was just went crazy went he wasnt expecting Malcolm to be there.

Alot of people do that when your not expecting someone, you scream.You can't say that Hal's reaction was a normal reaction to simply being startled. When people are startled they don't wave around a butcher's knife screaming "Ah! What do you want???"

Another detail the writers have "forgotten" or just creativly written out of the story is Hal's scardness of robots, but if he was so scared of robots, why would he make one himself?That's a good point, but I suppose, again, the writer's never actually revealed he was scared of robot's in real life, that I know of. Just the creepy one from the Jetson's. Maybe he mentinoned other cartoon ones too, I don't remember. But you'd think he'd be scared of them in real life too. Although he did sort of go nuts and turn into another person because Lois was gone when he making the robot.

MITM18
Jun 29, 2005, 01:30 PM
Could be, but I dont see how you can be scared of Chucky and not be scared of any other scary movie.

Since he says there is nothing better than staring into the face of something, he said something that showed how he loved to be scared.

But it doesnt make sense since in season one Malcolm said how he is mostly easily scared.

Its a plothole, a thing the writers just didnt look back at or cared about since they wanted an episode with Hal and Reese watching scary movies.

There are TONS of plotholes in every show like in That 70's Show, in the early episodes, Donna had a sister, they never have mentioned or seen this sister ever again.

Its just a detail writers write off.

MITM18
Jun 29, 2005, 01:33 PM
You can't say that Hal's reaction was a normal reaction to simply being startled. When people are startled they don't wave around a butcher's knife screaming "Ah! What do you want???"It was just shown on the extreme level what scary movies and suprises can do to you. This is a comedy :)

That's a good point, but I suppose, again, the writer's never actually revealed he was scared of robot's in real life, that I know of. Just the creepy one from the Jetson's. Maybe he mentinoned other cartoon ones too, I don't remember. But you'd think he'd be scared of them in real life too. Although he did sort of go nuts and turn into another person because Lois was gone when he making the robot."Then he says another cartoon he is a scared of" something like that, dont have it infront of me.

Sitcoms write off details, its not taken literal and set in stone for future episodes.

To look at details like this I think you really need to examine them per episode and not in a long run since somethings do in fact contradict each other, it happens.

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But thats just my opinion, you of course dont have to follow it :)

ReMoss85
Jun 29, 2005, 03:03 PM
"Then he says another cartoon he is a scared of" something like that, dont have it infront of me.I think it was Malcolm saying "That's how things go down in this family. I tell them my needs and they say 'No'. Then dad reveals another cartoon character he's afraid of."
So we know he's afraid of many cartoon characters, but that's about all we know. He could more sectretly be afraid of real life things, like robots. And the explanation for him building one would be that he went nuts and turned into another person. I prefer to stay naive and believe the writers always know exactly what they're doing.

Garbage Kills Megan
Jun 30, 2005, 02:08 AM
Another detail the writers have "forgotten" or just creativly written out of the story is Hal's scardness of robots, but if he was so scared of robots, why would he make one himself?

Did he say he was afraid of all robots, or just the one of the Jetsons? Are you just assuming he is afraid of all robots. Because he could just be afraid of robots that think on their own and act like people. That's very different from a robot that you control with a remote.


Could be, but I dont see how you can be scared of Chucky and not be scared of any other scary movie.
I completely disagree. Being afraid of one scary movie doesn't make you afraid of all scary movies. It sounds to me like Hal doesn't like things that aren't human acting like humans, which I can totally understand.

I just think it's a little harsh to call it a "plothole". If Hal said "I hate scary movies" in season one, and then he said the opposite in season 6, then yes, that would be a reasonable assessment. But you are just assuming that Hal hates all robots, and Hal hates scary movies. Those are conclusions that you, yourself, drew. Not the writers.

samboo1
Aug 15, 2005, 03:33 PM
Hi i wanna no who ur favorite malcolm in the middle brother is and why. Ill start off by saying my favorite is reese as he has the best attitude(carefree and a rebel).

yardgames
Aug 15, 2005, 04:20 PM
Welcome to the forums! We hope you have lots of fun while you're here.

I merged your thread with a similar thread in which many of us talked about our favorite characters some time back, but some people's opinions may have changed, so it's always good to resurface an old thread. :)

In the future, please refrain from using txt langugage and use correct grammar, as we do have some non-native-English speakers here who find that rather difficult to read. Thanks and have fun.

arach
Aug 15, 2005, 04:46 PM
In the future, please refrain from using txt langugage and use correct grammar, as we do have some non-native-English speakers here who find that rather difficult to read. Thanks and have fun. You should write that down already for copy + paste use later, shouldn't you? :p

My favourite ones of the brothers definately is Dewey. He is nice when you are nice to him, and I like that weirdness.

Reese is too dumb, and Malcolm is too desperate. Francis already counts as an adult, and Jamie is a useless baby.

allison
Aug 15, 2005, 08:18 PM
I don´t know if this was said before (I don´t think so), but we also could see Dewey´s fondness for music a long time before he officially became a genius. He always liked to dance when he was alone. I think that´s really cool, because in Humilithon (the second episode of the 4th season, so a long time before this became an important thing about the character Dewey) we could see how talented he is.
This is a very small detail now, but I think it´s funny that Reese always was supposed to be kind of a coward, since this stands in big contrast to his tough image. He always was the first one who tried to escape when there was a dangerous situation (Carnival) and you also could see it a bit in Zoo when he threw the goat into the cage and ran away screaming. :p There also were some other moments which I can´t remember right now.

@Garbage kills Megan:

I´m not sure if Reese is supposed to be really vain. Only thing I know is that he´s a little obsessed with his hair (Hal´s friend, Goodbye Kitty). There were some references to it, though, e.g when Jessica said that he cares so much about his body and stuff. But that doesn´t necessarily mean he´s really vain. I don´t know if this is real vanity, but in "Hal coaches", when Malcolm became obsessed with the computer game, he gave Reese´s character 0 for hygiene. Maybe he just did it because he thought it was fun, but in Funeral we learned that clothes which had been worn by Reese tend to smell like wet dog. :D I think if Reese was supposed to be really vain, they would make him take showers all the time and stand in front of the mirror instead of writing in jokes about his missing hygiene.

yardgames
Aug 15, 2005, 08:50 PM
He might not be hygenical in most parts of his body, but I remind you that his hair is extremely important to him.

allison
Aug 15, 2005, 08:59 PM
Yeah, that´s what I was trying to say by "he´s a bit obsessed with his hair". I just think that vanity includes both hygiene and the fact that someone cares a lot about his appearence. But I don´t know, maybe he is vain. At least there are more references to HIS vanity than to the other boys´vanity I guess.

Garbage Kills Megan
Aug 15, 2005, 11:19 PM
I don´t know if this was said before (I don´t think so), but we also could see Dewey´s fondness for music a long time before he officially became a genius. He always liked to dance when he was alone. I think that´s really cool, because in Humilithon (the second episode of the 4th season, so a long time before this became an important thing about the character Dewey) we could see how talented he is.

Yes! That is the great thing about that part of Dewey's character. You do see Dewey dancing a lot (and that dance he always does is so funny!) and then we find out that he is a really good singer. It is something that slowly developed over all six seasons. I think that's really cool.

Emrysgirl
Aug 17, 2005, 10:50 AM
Someone, I think allison, brought this up in an earlier thread: Hal always wears a napkin when he eats.

NeCoHo
Aug 17, 2005, 10:53 AM
Lois keeps everything. She said so herself in Chad's Sleepover while she as looking for the blender warrenty.

packer-backer
Aug 18, 2005, 01:13 AM
my favorite is when we find out that Hal is crazy in chada sleepover.

Wildcat
Mar 9, 2006, 08:28 PM
I mentioned this in another thread, but I really like what they've done with Dewey in seasons 6 and 7 (and somewhat in season 5 ). He's really become more of a main character, on the same level with Malcolm and Reese. Not that he wasn't a main character before, but in earlier seasons, I always thought of him as just the "little brother" who was always just "there" in the background (kinda like Jaime is now :D ). I like how they've made him smart and manipulative and even a little evil sometimes, while still keeping him an extremely likable character that we can identify with.

Anyone else have anything to add about their favorite character traits?

tony_montana
Mar 10, 2006, 04:41 PM
As everyone may or may not know my favorite is, of course, HAL!:D I like Hal because he's so damn likeable, unlike some tv dads(another tv dad i like, while not as nice as Hal, is Fred Sanford.:D ) Don't get me wrong, Hal has moments when he gets mad. Point in case, "Lois Birthday" when Hal gets mad at the clown and punches him(also earlier in the episode Hal got mad at the boys for buying candy). Another case is when Hal is caring for the boys and all those little figures of him are talking to him in his head(one of the best parts of that episode comes when Hal runs in the kitchen and yells,"SHUT-UPPPP!!!!" :D ). Another trait about Hal I find funny is that he is easily befuddeled. I love it when Ida is suing the family and Hal goes out to the car and goes nuts(he starts throwing paper cups around:D ). And of course, in "Reese joins the Army" when Hal was framed. That whole storyline was funny!:D
While I like everyone on the show, Hal just strikes a cord because he's so funny! Argueably, the best tv dad ever!

reese35
Mar 10, 2006, 06:06 PM
Basically, all of the Wilkersons are a lovable bunch. Specifically, Reese is a bully and a jacka$$. Malcolm is smart and yet slightly egotistical, so much he couldn't accept his own clean yearbook pic. Dewey's become the adorable, manipulated one. Lois has hard-a$$ parenting methods, but she means well. Hal's less calm - inability to make decisions on his own - and goes all out to protect his young. Francis went through all his life trying to shift blame on someone (first Lois, then Piama). But all-in-all, how could you not love these people?

tjpeople
Mar 16, 2006, 08:12 PM
I like the way there is so much depth Hal, that show in his activities, i truly think he could do anything well. He has had many one off job changes everyone went well (if i remeber correctly) However he still works a dead end job. I thnk you see a lot of complications in hal, as tony said with the imaginary selves, the paitning, the clown fght etc.

Lucky Maroon
Sep 5, 2007, 06:09 PM
More like Hal forgot about it; they scared him half to death. As I recall, he almost cut up Malcolm with a butcher knife when he tried to exchange his fruit roll-up. I think that detail has actually been rather prevelant throughout the series.

Malcolm's facial expression was so dramatic when that happened. xD

MalcolmFun
Sep 6, 2007, 01:03 AM
Malcolm's facial expression was so dramatic when that happened. xD

Hal is a lunatic
Malcolm says the mundane line: "You seem busy, I'll come back later."
At the same time he nearly feints with horror.
LMAO
Frankie is underated lol

Lucky Maroon
Sep 7, 2007, 06:43 PM
Hal is a lunatic
Malcolm says the mundane line: "You seem busy, I'll come back later."
At the same time he nearly feints with horror.
LMAO
Frankie is underated lol

Yeah, that's true.

For some odd reason, that was almost the scene I laughed at the most out of all of the scenes in the show. The others include when Malcolm screeched/squealed when Hal opened the door to "his" hotel room and right after Dewey scared Reese with the sound of fluttering after the butterfly incident.

Amigo22
Sep 7, 2007, 10:13 PM
Lois keeps everything. She said so herself in Chad's Sleepover while she as looking for the blender warrenty.

Yet they just shove it all into boxes, making it impossible to find anything when they need it again, like in Clip Show #2 when they were attempting to make their will.

yardgames
Sep 12, 2007, 06:19 PM
Yet they just shove it all into boxes, making it impossible to find anything when they need it again, like in Clip Show #2 when they were attempting to make their will.
Well at least we know its consistent throughout the show.

Helena1xoxo
Sep 2, 2008, 02:27 PM
I Dont Really Know Any Just That Hal Sleep Walks When Hes Stressed

Ha Ha Shame.

Lozart
Sep 9, 2008, 12:58 AM
Craig's never had a date for 35 years. I think :mellow: . don't remember

Everybody in the family is a genius.

Malcolm- High IQ
Dewey- Music
Reese- Awesomeness. Street smarts? He takes big risks and has lots of guts.
Lois- Ownage mom
Hal- Good talker. Persuasive

Lozart
Sep 9, 2008, 06:44 PM
Oh yeah. I notice Reese wears American Eagle shirts.

Even though they are hecka poor. But that was in like 05/06 when they weren't popular. Maybe they were cheaper :)