well i have an ipod mini, and love it, and will be upgrading soon to a new ipod, but im now way biass towards apple. ipods aint perfect the dont have radio/voice recoders and the battery life aint brill. But i look ease of use and general nicesness apple wins. creative are also very good, but have bad controls and software. itunes is good, but i dont use it for my ipod i use winamp with the ml_ipod plugin which enble much more features on the ipod. it all depends wat you want, if you have loads of msn music (i think its wma? with drm, correct?) then id go with a compatible player but i wouldnt touch DRM music with a barge pole, its just a pain in the rear end.