Do you take in interest in your countries politics?

Fascism is technically a very effective form of government, we've actally touch on this before. And if you view the political spectrum as a horseshoe shape, it becomes evident that fascism and socialism are the two ideologies that seem to be most similar. The one question I find difficult to answer when looking to fascism, is whether one can be a fascist without being rascism. In my personal oppinion the two are inextricalbly linked. Fascism believes in a need for struggle, through this struggle the weak are lost and only the strong remain. This obviosuly provides a chavansitic (in the non-sex related way) attitude and as such a raciailist attitude (a 'scientific' belief that one race is inferior to the other). More often than not a racialist attitude ultimate leads to a racist attitude. Despite this, many have agued that Mussolini (Italy) & Sir Oswald Mosely (English Fascist of the 20th century) did not have any rascist or even rascialist beliefs initially. However, following Hitler's instatement in Nazi Germany, both developed a heavily anti semetic view.
 

Alfista Junior

New member
Deweyrules! said:
And if you view the political spectrum as a horseshoe shape, it becomes evident that fascism and socialism are the two ideologies that seem to be most similar.

I guess you meant communism instead of socialism. If it's not the case I disagree. Even if socialism is not something I appreciate, we can't classify them that way. Communism and fascism are somewhat the same because their application has ever lead to a huge loss of liberties and rights. Their application need a general agreement and more than that: a blind acceptation... The problem is that people think and sometimes disagree in the reality (piece of evidence of freedom).. And here comes the big problem. They begin to eliminate opponents in the name of the so called freedom and wellness of others..until people realize they've all lost their liberties.
 

tony_montana

Semper Fidelis
Ive heard this statement a thousand times and I must agree with it. The statement is: "Communism works on paper but fails in life." As Alfista said, after communism comes to being in a nation, the people loose all of thier liberties/freedoms for the sake of "coming together". Sadly, people aren't ready to live in harmony together(plus they, myself included, do not want to give up our liberties).
I guess this country is going to be reshaped when the "benevolent" dictator J takes over.:rolleyes: :D
 

NeCoHo

Retired Mod
tony, would you rather have your country taken over by terrorists and weak-minded marxists (no offense), whose ultimate goal is to kill America, or by a Right-Wing ideal who only wishes to keep the terrorists out, and make America new and fresh, leading it into the 21st century and beyond, knowing that you don't have to worry about evil and be sure that American ways of life are held true, stong, and be seen as a role model of the world?

While Communism takes away all your rights, Facism only takes some away, while ensuring you live a safe, life, not unsure if you are going to get robbed, or shot if you walk on the wrong road, wearing the wrong colored t-shirt. (bug gang problem in places like Trenton, Philly, and Camden, NJ)

Alfista, I pose a question to you, if you are happy, safe, and content the way things are under a Facist gov't, why change it? People will always grumble when their are opponents to an idea, or to a certain group.

I wrote some stuff, Mike's seen it, PM me if you are interested.
 

tony_montana

Semper Fidelis
Im interested. Pm me.
But J, I dare you to try to become a dictator in America. I guran-damn-tee you will be shot within a month. Americans like me love our freedom and don't want some dicator telling us what to do. Now, since I view you as my friend, I sure don't want to see you get shot by someone, so I advise you not to try to become a dictator.
 

Alfista Junior

New member
J. said:
While Communism takes away all your rights, Facism only takes some away, while ensuring you live a safe, life, not unsure if you are going to get robbed, or shot if you walk on the wrong road, wearing the wrong colored t-shirt. (bug gang problem in places like Trenton, Philly, and Camden, NJ)

Alfista, I pose a question to you, if you are happy, safe, and content the way things are under a Facist gov't, why change it? People will always grumble when their are opponents to an idea, or to a certain group.

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You souldn't say that. You don't know what you're talking about... Some people safe? maybe a part. And still after the civilian (or not) war? Free? , maybe they would think they are..
Your speech is the step before the total illusion all extremists have. Dude, wake up before it's too late.

You're talking about fighting terrorism that is to say people who are totally obsessed by an radical ideology. But you want to turn Americans into terrorists two. The future would be nice: the US and middle East could send weekly kamikazes to each other before triggering a big war... How nice is the future..

Tony's kinda right because I'm sure that setting up a dictatorship wouldn't be an easy job nowadays. But on another hand, you could be slowly fooled without noticing it immediately. And when we see such big organizations like the United Nations which serve to nothing when a country like the US decide to do what they want without following its decision (war in Iraq) it could make us wondering some stuffs. Are we really safe with these organizations? Since 2003 I know the answer...
 

yardgames

Retired Administrator
Someday, J. will realize that the system we have in place has remained for 200 years already--longer than anyone ever thought possible--and it will continue to remain. Because it works.
 

tony_montana

Semper Fidelis
I agree with Yardgames. Yes, I admit our government has it's faults in certain areas that I think need reform, BUT I love our system of freedom, and Ill fight against anyone or anything that tries to change that.
 

NeCoHo

Retired Mod
Who ever said I'd be a dictator? other then me, after tony said I would... :D


Yes, Tony, freedom is good, but would you like terrorists in your(and my) country to have the same freedom as you? would ANYONE like to see terrorists in their country have the same rights and freedoms as yourself?

Sam, the system we HAD worked because the founders didn't expect it to work so long, and they planned for the day it collasped, and it didn't. They planned for the worst, and got the best. It will stop working once theose original frredoms are taken away by those who hate America, and t is failing, you cannot deny that. The Media runs rampet talking about gov't secrets, and the gov't lets them. That is begging for a sucker punch in the face, if you ask me. I'm not saying take over the media, but some common sense and restraint never hurt anyone.

The Middle East has been a firestorm of hate and death since the 1100's, when will it stop Alfista? When either the Christians, or the Muslims are dead, that's when. Almost 1000 years of on and off war, and no end in sight, especially now that Israel has attacked Hezbollah, and Iran has supplied missles and elite troops the Lebanon.
 

tony_montana

Semper Fidelis
J, our system of government, while it has faults, is not failing, despite what you say. We do need reform to a degree, but not as drastic as you say we need.
About the situation in Lebanon: I believe Israel is in the right to fight Hezabollah and his terror organization and I do believe Israel has the hand of God protecting them(since the Israelis are still God's chosen people), but my only beef with them is why do they have to attack civilian targets in Lebanon. That's unneeded and will only fuel the hatred the Arabs have for the Israelis.
 
I don't think it can necessarily be said that USA is an entirely democratic country, despite the fact that American politicians and often the people hark on so much about the fact that they live in the most democratic and fair country in the world. Your country is in fact one of the most secretive and slightly disturbing, particuarly from an international relations perspective. The most fundamental element of Fascism is that of struggle and as such a supreme race. Therefore all Fascists (look back to Hitler & Mussolini for example) hold the belief that the supreme race should rule the entire world, therefore there are no nation states within but a single state (a core socialist value). If we look at the US (I'm not saying this is entirely true, this is merely a reflection of many of the beliefs demonstrated in British media & the majority of British people) there is a persona created that America is the worlds strongest power & therefore it is their duty & right to 'defend' the world, (look back at Iraq & Vietnam). Both the American and British Army's broke UN law by invading Iraq, contrary to rules stipulated to them. These two so called democratic countries are not as democratic as they claim to be.

People are individuals; no government or ideology will ever be agreed upon by all (not even necessarily by the majority). But, if people are truly 'socialist' then surely they should technically agree with liberalsim. People should be entitled to freedom to do and acheive as they wish and as such reap the benefits of their acheivements. The only role of any governement should be to abide by a codified constiution to prevent people from impinging upon others rights'. Liberalism is the ideology closest to no ideology. Fascism is ridiculous, it may be 'efficient' but it is cruel and morally wrong. Socialism has never effectively worked and in reallity is the antithesis of what it claims to be; it is fundamentally unfair to take money from more wealthy people (who more often than not have worked hard to earn) and give it to other people. As for anarchism, well, lets not even get started on that :D
 
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