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    Sorry, it was late when I wrote that and I needed to go to bed. I didn't really have time to explain myself.

    People keep saying that Hal doesn't talk with the boys or have any sort of relationship at all. I really don't think that's true. In Family Reunion, Hal meantions, or was it Jesus?, that he can talk to his boys about anything. In Hal Quits, without the stress of work he started getting a lot more involved in what was going on with the boys. When Beebee broke up with Francis, Hal went and got him and drove him home. Hal also gets extremely proud of his sons. There are many other examples of Hal being a pretty loving and nurturing parent.

    The original intent of the show was for Hal to be the dad that never had any idea what was going on, completely aloof. The "do what you mother says" parent. You can definitely see this in the pilot, and a lot of the first season. He still is like this occasionally, but I think they have really developed Hal's character a lot since the first season.

    See, I didn't feel like typing all that at 3 in the morning.



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    Quote Originally Posted by yardgames
    Why is it that the irresponsible parent is the liked parent? Why is the "good" parent the unliked parent?
    It's not ALWAYS like that. If the kid grows up in a bad society/environment the strict parent may actually be fighting to keep them down. But usually, the parents are going to want good things for their kids, so whether they let you do something good is irrelevant. It's a distinction between whether they let you do only good stuff or whatever you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by yardgames
    Why is it that kids always want to rebel? What good does it do them?
    Most often: None. They (we) just figure that the future will sort itself out.

    Commonly: It's a question of degree. The kid is willing to take a little bit more of a risk and tries to have as much fun as possible without giving up anything. The parents want to be certain of stuff. When, it works out, life goes on, nothing is said. When it doesn't, the parent is right.

    For example, myself and grades. I know which teachers are lenient and I postpone homework in their class so that I can finish something for another class or sometimes just watch TV. My parents expect me to turn in everything on time. Usually, I'm right, and I get to have fun and do well, or do well in both classes. But sometimes, I am wrong and I can't turn it in late, and then I get lectured.

    Occasionally: The kid is right and the parent is being stubborn/irresponsible in an unusual way (putting restrictions on their kid). I don't feel like elaborating...find a feminist from the 60s and ask her!
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    Maybe it has something to do with what Malcolm said early on in the series: It's the smart people that think about the consequences; the dumb people (um, most kids) don't really give a damn about the consequences. And they like the irresponsible parents who don't care about giving consequences either.

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    I have noticed that in many sitcoms and other tv shows, including MITM that there appears to be what I would describe as "parental poles" with one parent being all kind and soft and the other harsh and brutal.

    Is this the way really life works, or is it just something of the television world?

    Personally I would say that although perhaps there is a small amount of paternal polling in my family, there isn't a great deal, and indeed sometimes the "poles" of each of my parents changes.

    What are people's opinions on this?

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    Well really, i think its different in every household. I wouldnt say my parents are like that.They both have their negative and positive sides. My mum is more of the person who nags about chores whilst my dad cares about my progress at school.
    However it seems as if all my friends have a 'good and bad' parent. I dont know what i would prefer really. Its hard to decide...
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    I'm not sure. Both my parents agree with eachother a lot. I mean they are pretty average!! Samboo is right about the school work bit as well!!
    I'm nearly up to 400 posts!!

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    We've had a thread on this before. I'll see if I can find it.

    Here:
    http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/...read.php?t=405

    That one was also started by you, David.
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    Lol I thought this thread seemed sort of similar, but I couldn't find the right keywords to locate it. David must have some really strong opinions on it starting a second thread I'll merge them.

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    Default Re: Good Parent - Bad Parent (AKA Parental Poles)

    I think there both good parents because they deal with these bad kids the best they can. Lois just has an angry problem, but that doesn't make her a bad parent.

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