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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomi View Post
    Can't you see in Ida's dance there is croatian flag, croatian coat of arms and even picture of zagreb cathedral in the wall?
    Why do you americans allways where is something slavic thinks it's from Russia or soviet union?
    Wow, that's quite a find! Are you Croatian by any chance? I believe you are right about Zagreb Cathedral, and indeed it looks most like the Croatian coat of arms (although the chequered pattern looks like yellow-and-red squares to me rather than white (silver)-and-red, but that's not really an issue). I don't see a flag, by the way. Can be my bad eyesight (*) The men seem to wear Croatian national dress too: black trilby hats, white lace shirts and pants, black waistcoat and black shoes.

    (*) The YouTube video link cited below actually points out the folded flag. So now I know'.

    I'm actually really surprised, because 'ethnic comedy' is mostly deliberately kept vague, in other words, politically correct, so as not to offend specific races or nations. Especially when this nation has such cruel, even barbaric customs as Ida's homeland! There's a pattern of that in more recent American comedy, from the toning down of the Mexican stereotype in "Chico and the Man", to the vague ethnicity of Andy Kaufman's character (Latka Gravas) in "Taxi', and the Greek-or-so background of Balki Bartokomous in "Perfect Strangers". That's why I never bothered to look up the ethnic names and customs Ida uses - I assumed they were all deliberately made up.

    By the way, I quite like black humour, because it sets MITM apart from all those moralistic feel-good family comedies that we so often get to see. I hadn't noticed the blood dripping out of Dewey's ears yet - I agree that this is borderline permissible. The tone is much like the Simpsons, which still feels funny, and not like the extreme nastiness of South Park for instance. The trouble is, I think, that a little bit of real-life cruelty automatically becomes more graphic and hits home more than ten times the amount in cartoons, where the level of sadism is nearly always laughed off.

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    Let me just save these descriptions and comments on Ida's Dance off YouTube before the clips get taken down

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQkK5JKf7Bs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFlUPx-liaA

    Croatian simbols in the Malcolm episode...
    (Hrvatski simboli u epizodi malcolma... )


    Malcolms mom and Grandma do their traditional folk dance to celebrate St. Grotus day While they speak with Slavic accents and appear to be from somewhere in Eastern Europe, their exact nationality is never specified, and may be intended to be fictional. However, an episode which centers on a fictitious "St. Grotus Day" feast, appears to take place in a Croatian community center, with a Croatian flag and a poster of Zagreb Cathedral on the wall.

    hey, to everyone guessing what Slavic nationality these people are supposed to be - they are no particular nationality, but a mix. just like you NEVER find out what Malcolm's family name is, you never find out if his mom is Croatian or whatever. there is a Croatian flag here, a Croatian coat of arms, but there is also an orthodox icon on the wall and their attire is also not Croatian...

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    Default The dance may be Slovenian and called 'kladnica' ...

    A YouTube user from Slovenia called 'Thindza' recently shed some light on whether the wicked MITM dance has origins in reality or not.

    "Actually this is the dance from Slovenia it is called kladnica and in the older days the best dancers used blades instead of wooden poles. I don't know how they mixed us with Croatian, somebody obviously didn't do his homework. If he did that mistake in Slovenia he would be at least beaten very heavily ."

    Now, interestingly - which makes me often wonder about the animosity between South Slavic peoples (sorry I couldn't help slipping this in) - Kladnica (alternative spellings Kladnitsa, Kladnitza, Cyrillic Кладница) is a village in both Serbia and Bulgaria. I couldn't find any references to this dance though.

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