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yardgames
Jan 13, 2006, 09:03 PM
I had no idea I'd need to append the episode title with a 1. When does the second part air???

Anyway, I found Brides of Ida to be an excellent episode. A few brilliant twists in the Hal/Lois/Dewey plot. The Malcolm/Reese plot was predictable in that you knew Malcolm was going to win, but you didn't know he was going to go off to Vegas and get married and prompt a second ep. I'm also dying to know if Dewey managed to win the concert contest.

All told, a brilliant episode, and I'm sitting here waiting for more. I wish MITM were an hour show; it's always too short. :)

I'll have analysis coming soon, I need to process the episode a bit more. But those are my opinions.

tony_montana
Jan 13, 2006, 10:01 PM
My damn power went out 10 mins. into the episode.:mad: :mad: :mad: So Malcolm got the girl?! Did he get married in this episode or will that happen next week?
Also, did Hal get caught in the Commodores Club?

Ears
Jan 14, 2006, 12:01 AM
I'm pretty sure that Dewey lost the contest to the chinese guy they were talking about...the part where Ida showed them the game was really creepy! I really like this ep a lot, I hope it shows more of Hal's story in the 2nd part, but it might be like the one (i can't remember which episode) where he tries to get that CIA type job and the building disappears, where we never find out what happened

Wildcat
Jan 14, 2006, 12:14 AM
Just got home and watched it! It was awesome! I'm not sure how I feel about the ending yet. I need to think about it a bit longer. I'll post my thoughts tomorrow.

@Tony--sorry about your power. THat's Friday the 13th for you. :D Even though Malcolm won the contest, Reese decided he was going to marry the girl anyway and they ran off to Vegas. And yes, they actually did get married. Or so they made it seem. (I believe that Vegas marriages can be easily annuled though--let's hope!) It will be continued next week.

@Sam-I hope you don't mind, but I put this in season 7. Part II is called "College Recruiters" and it airs next week.

Ears
Jan 14, 2006, 12:27 AM
Actually, Malcolm technically didn't win the contest, Ida said at the start that in order to win you needed to win all 3 of the events, or else none of them would become men, so they both lost

tony_montana
Jan 14, 2006, 01:45 AM
I hope they stay married! If this is the final season, it would be cool for it to go out with Reese happily married!

ReMoss85
Jan 14, 2006, 02:09 AM
I don't know how much swearing is allowed here so I will restrain myself, but stupid stupid freaking Fox Chicago had to show an hour long special about the Bears' playoff hopes at 7:00. Really, what the hell is the purpose of that? And of course, as it turns out, I missed a rather special episode, it being especially good, and it being a two-parter. And I know that we aren't supposed to talk about downloading episodes online, but everyone here seems to have them all on burned dvds somehow. Can someone maybe PM me about where I could go to find it? Tony_montana and I seem to be in the same boat. Help a couple of disgruntled Malcolm fans out. Thanks in advance.

samboo1
Jan 14, 2006, 04:59 AM
OMG! He got married? Nooooooo! Anyway...
Havent seen it yet, but im looking forward to it.
@Sam, ill post a pic when i have the ep later on :)

Kratos
Jan 14, 2006, 09:28 AM
I hope they stay married! If this is the final season, it would be cool for it to go out with Reese happily married!


lol, the wedding kiss was too tame I think to be the start of something long lasting... It might just work in other countries, but I think America is still too into the "true love" idea and a "proper" wedding *yawns* Could be wrong, after all Francis did something like it, although I think they were/are in love. Reese just picked her because he was... well stupid. :p

The bloody part was shocking :eek: other than that it was fun.

yardgames
Jan 14, 2006, 09:50 AM
America into "true love"? Uhh, no. Especially not in Vegas. :D Anyhow, the wedding probably isn't legal anyhow because Reese isn't 18 and I think you need parental permission to get married before you're 18. (of course, those rules might not apply in Vegas either. :D We'll just have to wait till College Recruiters to find out.)

Dabney
Jan 14, 2006, 09:50 AM
Great episode, I think it is my most favorite episode after Burning Man in the 7th season.
I loved the challenges Malcolm and Reese had to take, and it wasn't predictable to me that Malcolm would win the last one. I thought Reese and Ida would find a way to beat Malcolm. Well, He married that girl anyway. I'm not sure yet if I'm lucky or sad about it, but I hope they won't annul it, if they should break up at all, I would prefer a divorce.
In my opinion the Dewey part was even better. Quite amusing how Lois always hurt him. Another very funny scene was when Hal gave Dewey this "Dirk" card... :D. And yeah, Dewey was obviously beaten by this chinese kid.

The only negative thing I can mention was that Jamie wasn't involved much in the story, but I can forgive the writers for that. :D

Excellent episode, I'm really looking forward to seeing next part of it.

rzombie1988
Jan 14, 2006, 10:45 AM
The only negative thing I can mention was that Jamie wasn't involved much in the story, but I can forgive the writers for that. :D

Excellent episode, I'm really looking forward to seeing next part of it.

Atleast Jamie was on camera, so he wasn't completely forgotten.

I liked the episode. Reese getting married almost fully worked for me, but I don't see Reese getting married for sure. Something will come up I'm sure. I would have liked to have seen Francis in this somehow. It's nice to see new episodes of MITM though, since this season is probably the last. Did anyone else notice how much older Malcolm looked? Or was it just me?

What I also want to know is, when are we going to see the second part to this? I really hope it's not in 3 weeks, because that would be just about as bad as the 1st season last episode wait to the 2nd season starting episode.

samboo1
Jan 14, 2006, 10:53 AM
It was a good episode. Still cant believe Reese got married!:eek: My prediction was that it would show the vicar saying 'does anyone not agree with this marriage' and then someone would burst in saying 'i do!', like they do on movies ;) Anyway...
The Hal plot- was really funny when he was in that conference! I liked his plot.
Lois and Dewey- was nice to see a plot between those two, i always feel as if Lois is closer to Malcolm and Reese for some reason.
Reese and Malcolm- Malcolm was wise trying to stop Reese but at that point i knew he was still gonna go ahead with it. I think the next episode will reveal more about the parents' reaction etc...

Overal, i liked it...8.5/10

osoq
Jan 14, 2006, 11:00 AM
Bests of the Episode
Best Story Line: Malcolm & Reese's Games
-The contest was very amusing and slightly unpredictable. I had a feeling Reese wouldn't win but I didn't think he'd still try and get married. I definatley wasn't expecting a TO BE CONTINUED... and that's what shocked me the most. I personally would have rather seen Dewey's contest instead of them coming back home to find Reese in Vegas and leave it as a surprise to the parents. Or even better, Dewey wins the contest and goes to a "international" contest in VEGAS and they find Reese. That would have been great.
Runner-up: Hal In The Commodore Club

Best Joke: The "Dirk" License Plate
-I LOVED this joke. Mostly because I ALWAYS see those license plates in airports and have thought "Poor kids who don't have a name on the license plate". I especially loved Hal still buying him one that said "Dirk".
Runner-up: "Remember when you came in after curfew and asked what I was going to do about it? Sorry it took so long to get back to you" -Lois, referring to Ida & Dewey, what he shouts out at his mother when she's being inspected.

Leasts
Least Favorite Part: The Blood.
-I'm not squeemish of blood or anything but it didn't seem entirely neccessary.

Biggest Dissapointment: Hal & Lois Coming Home At The End
-As mentioned in "Story Line" I would have rather seen Dewey's piano recital and find out about Reese in another way than them coming home to find him being in Vegas.

THE MUSIC
-This episode didn't have anything that stood out. No good music that caught in my head but nothing "bad", persay.

Overall Comments
-It was better than last week. Personally, I thought Malcolm's Money was more of a traditional problem for MitM but was pulled of phenomenally, Bride of Ida was a very different type of episode. Allthough the Hal plot seems like it's been done before (Just can't pin my finger on where) it was funny. The To Be Continued... wasn't anything I could get too excited about but I'm anticipating next weeks episode. (Which I learned is now Sunday @ 7) I doubt Reese is actually going to get married. Something WILL come up especially because he's Reese. It won't be too long-lasting...will it?

samboo1
Jan 14, 2006, 11:07 AM
I doubt Reese is actually going to get marriedDidnt he already? The vicar guy said 'i now pronounce you man and wife'

yardgames
Jan 14, 2006, 11:19 AM
It was a good episode. Still cant believe Reese got married!:eek: My prediction was that it would show the vicar saying 'does anyone not agree with this marriage' and then someone would burst in saying 'i do!', like they do on movies ;) Anyway...
The Hal plot- was really funny when he was in that conference! I liked his plot.
Lois and Dewey- was nice to see a plot between those two, i always feel as if Lois is closer to Malcolm and Reese for some reason.
Reese and Malcolm- Malcolm was wise trying to stop Reese but at that point i knew he was still gonna go ahead with it. I think the next episode will reveal more about the parents' reaction etc...

Overal, i liked it...8.5/10
Yes, Lois putting hot sauce into Dewey's eyes and pinching his fingers and everything else she did really did help her grow closer to Dewey, I'm sure. :D

osoq
Jan 14, 2006, 11:31 AM
Didnt he already? The vicar guy said 'i now pronounce you man and wife'
Correcting myself: I doubt Reese is actually going to "STAY" married.

samboo1
Jan 14, 2006, 11:34 AM
Yes, Lois putting hot sauce into Dewey's eyes and pinching his fingers and everything else she did really did help her grow closer to Dewey, I'm sure. :DWell you know what i mean!! At least they had time together ;)!



Correcting myself: I doubt Reese is actually going to "STAY" marriedYeah i doubt it as well.

reese35
Jan 14, 2006, 12:23 PM
(**** = I Llkey!; *** = pretty good; ** = I'll adjust; * = Writers, why?!)

Hal - ***
Lois/Dewey - ***
Mal/Reese/Ida - ***99/100

Synopsis at the Parson Files - http://journals.aol.com/malcolmw912/TheParsonFiles/

Wildcat
Jan 14, 2006, 12:58 PM
Once again, great episode! My second favorite of the season behind “Blackout.” It’s so much fun to hate Ida and Cloris Leachman plays the part beautifully. Nice twist with Malcolm being the winner of the final challenge when it seemed as if Reese was going to dominate all of them. I’m a little upset about Reese actually getting married. Even though I’d read a few spoilers I didn’t actually think he was going to go through with it. If he stays married, it will totally change the family dynamics that we’re used to. That will likely mean that there will be few (if any) Malcolm/Reese/Dewey storylines from now on, but rather Reese/wife and Malcolm/Dewey/Hal/Lois storylines--much like what happened with Francis.

I have a hunch that this marriage isn’t going to last though for several reasons: 1. Reese has no intention of moving out/getting a place as we can gather by his comment “when we get home, I’m kicking Malcolm and Dewey out of the big bed.” 2. Lois is going to go through the roof when she finds out probably make him have it annulled or suffer some kind of terrible consequence and 3. He barely knows the girl! And as Yardgames mentioned, in the U.S. you must be 18 to get married without parental permission so it probably isn’t legal (I thought we decided that Reese was 18 though and that the comment in Health insurance was a mistake?) :confused:

I enjoyed the Hal/Lois/Dewey plot as well. I’m interested to know what Hal actually agreed to, but I don’t think we’ll ever find out. I’m a little confused as to whether Lois actually sabotaged Dewey on purpose, or if it just seemed that way. Can someone clear this up? I was also hoping that we’d get to see Dewey actually perform. Overall, great episode! I give it 9/10! :D

allison
Jan 16, 2006, 06:27 AM
I also liked this episode pretty much. The contest was fun and the end was kind of surprising (maybe if I hadn´t read any spoilers it would have been even more surprising) :rolleyes: I´m really not sure if Reese will stay married or not. I mean he always had bad luck with girls and Raduca maybe is finally the one who could make him happy since she hardly talks and seems to be okay with almost everything. So Reese probably doesn´t hurt her with his remarks and she won´t hurt him. But still I can imagine that Lois won´t be very pleased and I don´t really think that she´ll let Raduca live in her house sleeping in the boys´bedroom. :D
On the other hand if they annuled the marriage it would have been a pointless plot. Don´t get me wrong, I think it was entertaining and all, but whenever Reese does something he fails in the end. So it would be quite predictable. But still I hope he won´t stay married. As Wildcat said it would change the dynamics of the show. I just think the writers could do that to end the show with a "Reese who´s happy at last".

The Hal/Dewey/Lois plot was quite good, too. It was fun and once again we could see that Lois hasn´t lost her fighting spirit and never gives in. :D

simon_4420
Jan 16, 2006, 03:02 PM
At last I got to watch this episode!

I totally agree with everyone that this is the best of Season 7, after Burning man so far. I really can't wait for part 2! The contest between Malcolm and Reese was great and very entertaining:D . I thought that the Dewey, Lois and Hal part to the episode was great. It was a hole new side (kind of) to Lois and Hal, as, as far as I can remember we really haven't see them spend time with Dewey like that. I have to say that I laught way to much when Lois got sauce in Dewey's eye:D .
As this is likely to be the last Season, I hope they stay married.

Over all the episode was great and it was about time we had another 2-parter.


P.s Did anyone else find Ida being nice (well not nice, but not totally hell-bent on being evil) alittle odd at first, :D lol , I did!

Amigo22
Jan 16, 2006, 06:30 PM
Could someone go into more detail on Dewey's subplot?

yardgames
Jan 16, 2006, 06:43 PM
I might humbly refer you to my absolutely excellent synopsis at the main VC: http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/details.php?image_id=168&sessionid=030a1e608cf5acea8833dd143b3cecf4

Malcoholic
Jan 16, 2006, 09:16 PM
The "old ways" of Ida's country, which Ida is trying to preserve, are all designed to insure the survival of a people who clearly are located along one of the bloody ethnic fault lines of Eastern Europe, the scene of age-old conflicts between neighboring peoples, where the price of defeat can be extinction. Ida's "test of manhood" is a folk custom that insures that only the toughest males are allowed to breed, and weaklings are excluded from the gene pool. In a brilliantly clever plot, the theme of Ida trying to transport her folk ways to America is combined with the theme of Reese's inability to relate emotionally with girls. Ida is going to force Raducca to marry Reese as soon as Reese proves he's tough enough to be allowed to breed. What is, to the modern American mind, an unacceptably primitive way of selecting a mate, looks like a good deal to Reese--he's never had much prospect of carrying out a successful American-style courtship; the ancient ways of Ida's people are better suited to Reese's primitive temperament than those of modern American culture.

The over-sophisticated Malcolm is repelled by the brutality of Ida's "ways" and thinks he can foil the barbaric custom. Reese beats him at the two tests of physical toughness. But there is a third test: to survive, a man must be not just tough, but clever; otherwise, he can be entrapped by a weaker but trickier opponent. Malcolm beats Reese at the cleverness test, and he thinks he has triumphed over Ida's ways:
Malcolm: "The wedding is off! After two thousand years, your ways are dead!"
Ida: "I am content! The ways have been followed."
Malcolm: "What! No! No! You don't have to pretend you're OK with this! I never followed your ways! Well... , I did. But it was for a different reason!"
Ida: "Pack up your things, cow! We leave in five minutes."
Malcolm in fact validated the primitive custom--he weeded out a thug not clever enough to be allowed to breed. In an ironic twist, it's Reese who overthrows the old ways. He failed the manhood test, but he doesn't have to abide by it. This is America, not the old country, and in America Ida is powerless to enforce the old ways:
Reese: "I'm going to marry her anyway!"
Ida: "It is forbidden! The ways don't allow you!"
Reese: "Well then, from now on I reject your ways forever."
Then Reese makes a bleakly honest marriage proposal to Raducca: "Listen, I'm not the perfect guy. I might not even be a good guy. But if you marry me, we'll both be certain for the rest of our lives that I never could have done any better."
No American girl could accept such a proposal, but to Raducca Reese's clumsy declaration of love sounds a lot better than what was in store for her. It's no accident Ida calls her a "cow." Under the old ways, Raducca has no more say about her future than does a head of cattle. But now she's in America, and Ida has no more power over her. Marrying Reese is a liberation from the past. Ida is old and can't let go of the past; Raducca is young and wants to shake off the past. She and Reese run off to Las Vegas--a place that's a purely American invention, with no past, no traditions, no rules, no questions asked. That Vegas here represents what is totally American is reinforced by the background music: as soon as Malcolm says "Vegas," a version of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" starts playing and is the background music during the wedding ceremony.

The confontation between Lois and Dewey harks back to the last time Dewey entered a piano competition, in "Army 1." In that story the family was indifferent to Dewey being in the competition, and Dewey was indifferent to the calamities befalling the family--it showed a vicious circle of neglect from the family and self-absorption by Dewey. Here the theme is taken a step further--Dewey accuses Lois of being downright hostile to seeing her son succeed. The question of whether the accusation is true is left purposely ambivalent. Lois' "So what" appears to mean: "I don't think I'm trying to sabotage you, but who knows what dark motives may be lurking in my subconscious. I don't claim to be the perfect mother. It doesn't matter. Crap flies at you, that's the way life is. You've got to try to succeed anyway, and if your parents aren't as supportive as ideal parents ought to be, well then, you'll just have to try harder." The tone of this scene is uniquely MITM: it is as free of sugar-coating as it is free of bitterness.

Some side comments:
--The dog in the sack looked just like Marshmellow, the bull mastiff in "Dewey's Dog." I'll bet it's the same dog.
--The spoilers for forthcoming episodes say nothing about Reese, leaving the outcome of his marriage entirely in suspense. I'm on pins and needles!

yardgames
Jan 16, 2006, 09:43 PM
I don't know how you continue to write such great analyses week in and week out but you really do manage to expose some of the deeper themes in MITM that I just wouldn't see if it weren't for you. This episode is hard to digest since we've only seen half of it, and it sounds like they're doing a really great job keeping the second half under wraps. :D

Hendrix
Jan 29, 2006, 11:02 PM
I really don't like these wacky out-there plots. I really can't explain it but, Francis marrying Piama was somewhat plausible because:

1) Piama was a great foil for Lois and you could see why Francis would like a woman like his mother
2) His reckless and crazy antics at The Academy(and the whole exploding-the-car and having sex with the blonde on his parent's bed thing) proved he would do something like that.

I mean, I used to remember when I could relate to the plots. How am I supposed to relate to Ida's competition or Hal inadvertently making a deal with terrorists. The Wilkersons used to be a real family with real problems.

And I got to say, Malcolm's minihawk takes me right out of every scene, lol.

yardgames
Jan 30, 2006, 01:12 PM
This may make me seem completely ignorant, but what is a minihawk?

Wildcat
Jan 30, 2006, 02:15 PM
This may make me seem completely ignorant, but what is a minihawk?

I believe it's the part of Malcolm's hair that looks like it's sticking straight up, but it's not long enough to be considered a mohawk.:D