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reese35
Sep 30, 2005, 08:14 PM
Any comments you have about Burning Man, just put them here! Like I said before, judging by advert-ing Malcolm, I got high expectations on this season. And if this is the last season, let's hope it goes out with a BANG!

Here's to Season 7! May it be the best we've had!

yardgames
Sep 30, 2005, 09:03 PM
Burning Man was great! I've been Malcolm-deprived all summer, so it was good. The beginning was a little hasty, and you have to understand Burning Man to appreciate the ep, but it was good. Awesome--classic ending!

CJman327
Sep 30, 2005, 09:16 PM
Yeah! I just saw it about 20 minutes ago! Awesome ending!(I don't wanna ruin it for people who haven't seen it, and spoiler tags are even more tempting!)For those of you that have seen it you know what I'm talking about!;) :D

NeCoHo
Sep 30, 2005, 10:36 PM
I just thought I'd give this a namein which the thread name accuatly represents the thread itself.

I missed it. I forgot to tape it, band came first, *First and last home Friday night football game* All my friends finally got to see me out on the field, and they all were AMAZED! That's the end of my explanation of why I didn't see the premiere.

reese35
Sep 30, 2005, 11:09 PM
All I can say is, put out the chips and dip - HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!

packer-backer
Sep 30, 2005, 11:11 PM
I thought it was a very funny episode with a classic ending. But as many of us probably suspected was going to happen, Francis wasn't in the episode!!:mad: Thats too bad but it was still a solid opener.

Hendrix
Oct 1, 2005, 12:02 AM
Did Malcolm lose his virginity to the Burning Man Woman?!?!? :eek:

reese35
Oct 1, 2005, 12:14 AM
Danged if we know. If he did, he would have bragged about it from the second part down!

reese35
Oct 1, 2005, 01:15 AM
For those of you that dare to read this....


The season begins with Lois baking cookies. Reese wants one. Lois says he can have 2 - one now, and one 20 mins. later. He just has to stay clear of Dewey's batch - antibiotics. The opening credits - same as was the last 3 seasons.

If anyone viewed the clip (http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/clips/malcolm_s7e130a_700.wmv), that's what the first min.or 2 is like. The family takes off in the RV that Hal borrowed from his boss. He's so intent on keeping it spic and span, he uses Dewey as labor add-on. To add, the people at Burning Man start to think he's an attraction while Lois joins a female tribe. Reese gets caught up in the sensation and starts to love every minute of it. Malcolm accidentaly steps on a cactus and heads to first aid. With the long line, he gets a redirection to the Shaman's tent, where he meets Anita, who treats him and sees through him. In the process they find many things they have in common with each other, until the point where Anita's laying on Malcolm with his arm around her. Again, maybe lost virginity; maybe not.

That's segment 1 of the episode, where they go to comm. break. More tomorrow.

admin
Oct 1, 2005, 03:16 AM
It sounds very cool guys, thanks for the information - can't wait to watch it.

Was it up the the "standard" of Malcolm in the Middle we came to expect in Seasons 1 and 2, or just a bit better than those found in Season 6.

tjpeople
Oct 1, 2005, 06:52 AM
Erm, i dunno its have to say it was very familiar to the previous, but that may just be to do the fact that the look the same etc, Jaime did look older, but not drastically, dewy maybe a little, his face seems to be maturing a little, the other just looked the same.

I think it was pretty stunning, (BTW do we have to put things in spoliers cause i mean the episode has aired and this is the discussion thread about it!! but i will for now!


I think the bit about lois and hemp wasnt as big a part as i expected but i loved the hal 'street performance' brilliant, and the dead guys in a waterpistol - amazing!

I think it pretty clear malcolm slept with that women by the way the showed him in bed, but im quite sure that wasnt him loosing his virginity, that im quite sure has happened in the past with previous girlfirends not that tney went into it much. he's 17 now so i woulndt be surprised.


To conclude LOVED IT, cant wait till next week!

samboo1
Oct 1, 2005, 07:07 AM
How did you manage to watch it? Your from Wales.

admin
Oct 1, 2005, 07:28 AM
How did you manage to watch it? Your from Wales. That a whole other story, one for which is not suitable in this forum! :D

yardgames
Oct 1, 2005, 10:34 AM
I don't think it's necessary to put things in spoiler tags after the ep has aired. I think that I wouldn't have thought it was as good, had I not been Malcolm-deprived all summer. But it was a fun ep to open with, and I'm ready for Health Insurance next week.

How many eps do we get before baseball takes over Fox?

ahelm13
Oct 1, 2005, 12:34 PM
Hey everybody! I'll try to be on here more now that the summer is over, but I'm really busy preparing for my junior recital as part of my music major. The thing that I really liked about this episode was the balance that all of the characters got (well, even though there is no Francis). Last season there was usually one plot line that just didn't seem to be that good, but I enjoyed all of the plot lines in this episode especially the attention on Malcolm with more of him speaking to the camera. To answer your question Yardgames, Health Insurance is on the 7th and the 14th is the only day that is getting preempted by baseball. Some of the FOX shows on other nights however are going to be gone for pretty much the entire month if the series go to 5 and 7 games.

yardgames
Oct 1, 2005, 01:06 PM
Ok, thanks. So we're lucky MITM is on Friday this year. :D

samboo1
Oct 1, 2005, 02:13 PM
I think burning man was (like yard games said) a little hasty , it should of involved more about how Reese and Malcolm where going get there.
Anyway it was a brilliant episode, with a classic ending, and not one family member had a distressed part.:cool:

admin
Oct 1, 2005, 04:38 PM
I think burning man was (like yard games said) a little hasty , it should of involved more about how Reese and Malcolm where going get there.
Anyway it was a brilliant episode, with a classic ending, and not one family member had a distressed part.:cool:

Agreed it was certainly a good episode, it felt unfinished and short though to me. I don't know why! :D

I've posted an episode synopsis on the main VC now, some pics will enter the gallery at a later stage.

CJman327
Oct 1, 2005, 05:57 PM
The Malcolm plot was a bit freaky, but the Reese and Hal plot was funny! The ending was the best with:The "Burning Van"! With Reese not wanting Burning Man to stop was hilarious! When me, my mom, and my dad were watching it my Dad and I knew that something was going to happen to that RV....Guess who does it! Reese! And another gerat, classic moment was when the Burning Man-goers were staring at Hal watching him be the "performance art of the modern, suburban Dad". Hal was scared to DEATH of those guys! Lol!:D Hilarious. Can you believe my PARENTS thought so too?:) Great episode. I'd think that the Admin should rate it Mega Hot with 4 and a half stars. Just my opinion though. I thought this episode was overall the top best and favorite episode of the year. Great season kickoff too! I hope it carries on the funny flame! Health Insurance sounds great!:D Hope it's good!
--CJMAN327:D

yardgames
Oct 1, 2005, 07:39 PM
I would hope it was the best of the year, since it's the only one so far. :D

Emrysgirl
Oct 2, 2005, 02:34 AM
Was it up the the "standard" of Malcolm in the Middle we came to expect in Seasons 1 and 2, or just a bit better than those found in Season 6.
I tried answering this earlier, but it's hard to compare an ep to seasons. It wasn't season 1 & 2 quality: I doubt they can ever go back to that standard. But, it was significantly better than the average eps from seasons 5 & 6. Yet, it was not like some of the exceptional eps, like Stilts or Ida's Boyfriend or the Army eps. See what I mean - hard to compare.

Comments on the ep in general:

Going to Burning Man: The toilet paper routine was hilarious. The RV ride over was also reminicent of the early eps. Hmmm...I think I had something else to say, but it's not coming to me now.

Hal Plot: Very funny...my favourite plot in this ep. It was weird to see the usually convention defying character be the uptight "suburban dad". I'm think/hope Dewey will have a good analysis for this, so I won't say anything else about this just yet.

Lois Plot: I really enjoyed this plot until the topless scene at the end. Until then, the writers had managed to maintain Lois' character while still having her fit in with the burning man community. I thought they were heading in that direction when she was stitching hemp shirts (not 'discovering hemp' like the description said - that makes it sound like she was actually smoking it) and when she thought of having a Sears portrait taken. They had sort of maintained this duality of Lois' 'mom' character (stitching and dressing up her child) with the feeling of Burning Man (hemp, tatoos - fake one in this case). But they threw that away in the last scene and made it into the usual 'kids are shocked as the parents go wild' story.

Francis Plot: MISSING!! That was a disappointment.:( Although, I suppose reintroducing him as a regular character would have required a long explanation as to what he has been doing and more time than was available in this ep.

Reese Plot: Bit too much like Day Care and the season 6 eps. When he was first talking to Max (I think that was his name) about how Burning Man was about creating but that involved destroying, I thought that's what the ep would be about. Reese hears destroying is ok and goes on a rampage but then either stops having fun with it or turns it into some kind of business. But, it was the same old season-six-Reese's-spiritual-side plot. That said, it was still well done.

Malcolm Plot: Nice to see a plot that wasn't 'completely' depressing for Malcolm. And nice to see him doing fine at the end. It was very simmilar yet very different from the Traffic Jam plot. It was sort of like an older, see-how-Malcolm's-changed version of Traffic Jam. Like in Traffic Jam, Malcolm was, for once, enjoying himself until his usual pessimistic-skeptic self kicked in. And, like in Traffic Jam, in they end, even though they weren't together, Malcolm got something out of it. In Traffic Jam, Malcolm realized that thinking of the future isn't always the best thing and you have to enjoy what you have; in Burning Man, he learned to be open to weird sounding ideas.

Dewey Plot: Didn't quite get this one. I understood why he had to help Hal initially-he was the only one that was left behind. But, he could easily have ditched him while he was out throwing the waste or washing the rugs. And I was especially confused about why he had to help Hal at the end - with the extra work his boss had given him.

Jamie Plot: I liked that he didn't have a full plot, but was used as a prop in other plots. I was afraid he'd become too important in this season. Of course, it's too early to say.

tjpeople
Oct 2, 2005, 04:46 AM
Dewey Plot: Didn't quite get this one. I understood why he had to help Hal initially-he was the only one that was left behind. But, he could easily have ditched him while he was out throwing the waste or washing the rugs. And I was especially confused about why he had to help Hal at the end - with the extra work his boss had given him.


The reason why dewy has to help hal with the etra work was a recurring joke, the idea that dewy had helped hal with various thing at burning man, that he would help back home to.

Dabney
Oct 2, 2005, 06:49 AM
At the beginning i thought the episode was a bit boring and not that good, maybe like a season 5 episode, but then it got better and better and turned out to be an excellent episode. I really laughed a lot. some of the best scenes: Hal having to hide somewhere in the RV because everybody is watching him; The look on Jamie's face when he has all those tattos on his body... :D

reese35
Oct 2, 2005, 01:10 PM
Segment 2


Lois is cooking artstically with green food coloring, Dewey's still doing work on the RV and Hal gets more scared of those guys. Malcolm and Anita wake up after their long night. Anita has work to do today, and Malcolm lets her go on. She figures Malcolm has contempt for her job. He figures he should keep his mouth shut for 5 secs. Well, he made it to 3.

I'll explain the rest in a nutshell. Jamie gets tatooed; Dewey still works; the crazier Hal gets, the more the guys love it; Reese gets asked to be a torchbearer to burn the man (He don't want to); Malcolm opens up his mind by being reborn for Anita, but gets rejected; Lois goes topless; and Reese objects so much, he throws the torch out into the distance... into the chemicals inside the RV. Forget Burning Man; how about Burning VAN?!

Back in Newcastle, Reese and Lois make it a point to go again next year, Malcolm figures he'll get over it than Hal can; and Dewey and Hal work to replace the torched RV.

My favorite was the Hal plotline at the point of which he screams, and I quote - "GET! OFF! MY! PROPERTY!!"

samboo1
Oct 2, 2005, 01:16 PM
I liked Dewey's face when the van burnt!!

Back in Newcastle
Newcastle??

yardgames
Oct 2, 2005, 01:27 PM
I was going to ask that too. How do we suddenly know they live in "Newcastle"?

reese35
Oct 2, 2005, 01:37 PM
I thought we knew that in Buseys Take A Hostage last season. Hal was named "President, comma, Newcastle Neighborhood Association".

yardgames
Oct 2, 2005, 01:59 PM
He was? Not that I remember. I thought the most specific we ever got was the "tri-county area." Newcastle could be the name of their neighborhood, rather than city, as well.

samboo1
Oct 2, 2005, 02:11 PM
We always suspected Milbrook.

packer-backer
Oct 2, 2005, 02:20 PM
In this episode as wel as others you can see a liscense plate while Hal is honking that funny horn. It looks very much like a California liscense plate.

tjpeople
Oct 2, 2005, 03:16 PM
California was the close we got and im pretty sure that correct , dunno about newcastle of millbrook ?

MITM18
Oct 2, 2005, 06:41 PM
Wonderful episode, you aint seen nothing yet if you think this is going to be the best episode this season.

The episode felt like a Malcolm movie, lot of new creativity, loved the directing.

Here are some High Res Pics from the episode

tjpeople
Oct 2, 2005, 06:45 PM
Nice pics,
So MITM18 do you know more about whats coming next? Have you got any video/image spoliers for us?

MITM18
Oct 2, 2005, 06:49 PM
Will be posting pics and info this upcoming week :)

yardgames
Oct 2, 2005, 07:57 PM
Good to see you're back MITM18; it's been awhile. :)

Dina91
Oct 3, 2005, 02:23 AM
This episode sounds great, can't wait to watch it!

wando
Oct 3, 2005, 04:19 AM
i thaught this episode was fantastic. i dont know anything about the burning man tradition, but in the "medical" tent, i thaught 'Polly' was the woman, (jamies babysitter), i thaught she might have fit in there being weired and all.

admin
Oct 3, 2005, 12:02 PM
The MITMVC gallery has been updated to include Season 7 Burning Man pictures. 62 in total

http://gallery.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/

samboo1
Oct 3, 2005, 12:06 PM
Cool, nice selection there. Can i ask how you actually get vidcaps because if i press print screen it shows the actual video once ive pasted.:confused:

MITM18
Oct 3, 2005, 12:16 PM
One way of capturing stills from video is using PowerDVD which can take pictures of your video with an easy click of a button

admin
Oct 3, 2005, 12:48 PM
Cool, nice selection there. Can i ask how you actually get vidcaps because if i press print screen it shows the actual video once ive pasted.:confused:

Yeah, I used to have that problem. If you have an ATI graphics card you can download Multimedia Centre for it, and it has a file player which allows you to capture vidcaps. Thats what I use, as MITM18 says PowerDVD is another piece of software that does it, and I am sure there are many more DVD playing software that have the feature in.

samboo1
Oct 3, 2005, 12:52 PM
Yeah thanks for all the info. I think ill use power dvd, its easier than downloading things, although having that function on WMP would be handy. I might try that sometime...

yardgames
Oct 3, 2005, 04:43 PM
I enjoyed reading about it when the spoiler first surfaced, but I knew I didn't want to go then and I don't want to go now. :) Sorry. The idea of spending up to a week in the dessert just doesn't appeal to me, although Malcolm's explanation made a bit of sense, I suppose.

Amigo22
Oct 4, 2005, 02:16 AM
Thanks for uploading the pics. Everyone looks the same except Dewey's face has changed and Jamie, wow he has grown a lot! And his expressions of emotion were good too - especially the look on his face after being tattooed (who would tattoo a kid that young anyway?)

Where did Reese burn the RV? Why did they all look unhappy in the final scene where they were eating dinner?

I'm having withdrawal symptoms from MITM :(.

Malcoholic
Oct 4, 2005, 11:18 AM
The chief point of interest in this season premiere is how the show handles the aging of the boy characters. In the case of Reese, the episode simply builds on the recent trend to make Reese less brutal and malicious, more whimsical and involved in bizarre efforts to give purpose to his life as he senses the approach of adulthood. Here he falls for the illusion that he's discovered an escape from the real world of rules and boundaries. As usual, Reese plunges headlong into the craziness. His performance is full of wild energy and striking visual images, and shows off Justin's gift for injecting a touch of sentiment into farcical situations.

It's in the Malcolm part that the episode breaks new ground. By involving Malcolm in an erotic situation with an adult woman, it sends a signal that Malcolm is no longer a kid role, but a young man. Going where he's never been before as an actor, Frankie gives an inspired performance. He is entirely credible in the romantic scenes, despite being paired with a woman twice his age.

This episode tells little about how the show will deal with Dewey's approaching adolescence, since his part was peripheral and wholly subsidiary to Hal's story.

The parents' parts were both very funny and entirely farcical, so that while Hal's story gets the most laughs, the dramatic focus is on the boys. Malcolm is tormented by his characteristic conflict between head and heart, with the stakes higher than ever before. He gives in to his passions more than he ever has, but his intellectual skepticism is still intact and makes him despise what he desires. The woman senses that only part of him desires her, while the other part regards her with "cynical condescension." In portraying Malcolm's conflict at this intensified level, Frankie does some if his most emotionally engaging acting ever. As in the pilot season, he puts on a dazzling display of his unique gift for confiding with the viewer in quick asides at the most intense moments, without breaking the dramatic tension or tempo of a scene.

With Malcolm back in the middle, Reese is back to serving as his diametrical opposite. He is untroubled by mental reservations and gives himself body and soul to the festival's spirit of unfettered self-expression. Trouble is, for all the others, the festival is just a brief break from their regular lives, whereas Reese has no regular life to go back to. Reese's problem here is his familiar one, but is portrayed far more explicitly than ever before. Reese's problem is, not that he's stupid or evil, but that he's primeval. If he lived in pre-civilized times, before there were laws or property, Reese would be a normal young human male. It's no accident that Reese is dressed, or rather undressed as a savage when he says: "But it can't end! I don't want it to! For the first time in my life I feel real, like I belong!"

With this episode, the new production team put a tremendous amount of effort and talent into bringing renewed energy and excitement into this series. It's the most ambitious and lavish project since the Reese-Army sequence. Some of the mass scenes were like something out of a feature film. The new season certainly is off to a rousing start.

elstarry
Oct 5, 2005, 07:13 AM
Even though I haven't seen the episode,it sounds really good.Enjoy!:D

MalcolmReeseDewey
Oct 5, 2005, 02:22 PM
The information for the amazing Malcolm in the Middle Episode 'Burning Man':

BURNING MAN Air Date 9/30/05
Chapter 701
Hal and Lois catch Malcolm and Reese hitchhiking to the Burning Man festival. They are so intrigued by Malcolm's description of the festival that they decide to take the whole family in their borrowed RV. Malcolm injures himself on a cactus while taking in the sights, and he is taken to Anita, a pretty, 40-something Shaman. He quickly develops an intense on-again, off-again relationship with her. He balks at her rebirthing ceremonies and retreats to the RV, telling Hal it was a stupid idea to come to Burning Man. When Hal excitedly bonds with Malcolm over their mutual inflexible beliefs, Malcolm runs back to Anita and participates in his own rebirth.

To me this looks a particularly interesting episode and by all means a great one too although for a season premier, it has to be but for Malcolm in the Middle, every episode is a good one so be thankful to Linwood Boomer for this amazing program!!

Kratos
Oct 5, 2005, 03:42 PM
Hee hee, most of it's been said already. Either here or the main page...

I would have posted some pics but that's been done... and everyone has said the things that were worth saying... I suppose I can add that Reese looked mighty fine in that tribal art. :D

I think its going to be hard to beat this episode... but who knows. ;)

tjpeople
Sep 16, 2007, 12:30 AM
From: http://dannationworld.wordpress.com/2005/10/30/malcolm-in-the-middle-goes-to-burning-man/

Dan’s comments:
I NEVER watch Malcolm in the Middle, but it happened to be on tonight. It was a hilarious episode in which the family goes to Burning Man and the episode caught the event pretty hilariously. I believe that the episode originally aired in late September 2005. The father from the family (I don’t know their names) cooks hot dogs and hamburgers on the astroturf in front of his RV event, and his BM neighborhood thinks he is performance art. Meanwhile, the wife rides in “Critical Tits” but they didn’t call it that, and one of the other sons wears body make up and wears nothing but a sarong for the episode. Malcolm has a tantric sexual experience with one of the Arquettes (I think it was Rosanna) in her geodesic dome. The writers captured the “participant, no spectators allowed” mode so it was obvious that someone on the show had attended the event. The sets, costumes, and outdoor setting (filmed somewhere in the Mojave Desert since Malcolm steps in a cactus in one scene) caught the event quite well. It was funny to see a sit com shot in the Burning Man context (lots of art cars, discreet nudity - including Malcolm’s mom - and the mom and war-painted son claiming they were returning the next year). In the last scene, the father’s RV accidently burns instead of the Man himself. By the way, is it me or are the kids all old now? And Frankie Munoz is getting more creepy looking. I think that in real life he is dating a porn star or something?
———————-
I really liked this episode review from Living the Wally Lifestyle (http://gwally.com/news/000472.php):
Malcolm in the Middle at Burning Man
October 03, 2005
The cast of Malcolm in the Middle went to Burning Man for their season opener. Once again, the truth is weirder than the fiction.
Here is a rundown of a few points from the show which were not like Burning Man:
The Couple Dressed as a Nun and a Bishop
The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are far weirder and way, way more fun.
Moop on the ground
There is straw laying all over the ground. This would never be allowed since hay bales are banned.
Cactus
There is nothing alive on the dry lake bed.
Larry Harvey (the guy spraying Stanley)
This unnamed Larry Harvey is way more like Larry Harvey should be than Larry Harvey is. I blame this on the 5,000 people who come up to Larry every year to tell him how Burning Man changed their lives. Do they leave it at that? No, they tell the whole story about the first time they did acid, the person they met, the child that resulted, the life change. Good gravy people, leave him alone! You’re cutting into his drinking time.
Bowling Ball Sized Rocks
There are no bowling ball sized rocks on the Playa. They were all used by catapults last year.
Guy in the Cow Skull
Java Cow is way cooler than this guy, because he serves coffee.
The Shaman Woman
There are far weirder and more fun people than this woman. Although amazingly enough, a lot of them look exactly like Roseanne Arquette.
Malcolm Gets Laid at Burning Man
Anyone can get laid at Burning Man and most relationships last almost as long.
Dumping Center
There is no RV dumping center at Burning Man. You have to pack out your potty.
Only Losers Go to Burning Man with your Parents
Most of the kids Burning Man are more responsible than their parents.
Random Strangers are Chosen to Light the Man
The truth is, people pay to be in the Inner Circle. One person who buys a $300.00 ticket is chosen at random to light the man.
Reese Doesn’t Want to Light the Man
Camaan, Reese would do anything to light the Man. And an RV, now that I think about it.
Trumpet Strumpets
Critical Tits is far more impressive and fun.
I’ll Keep the RV Clean
Never has a sentiment been heavily expressed and never accomplished.
In Conclusion:
In all, I think the show did a good job. This show is consistently funny and I hope it has a good run on Fox.

Amigo22
Sep 16, 2007, 12:59 AM
Interesting reviews.

yardgames
Sep 18, 2007, 05:09 PM
Thanks for sharing TJ. The first one was good to hear a non-MITM fan enjoying the episode and the nitpicks of teh second one were just funny.

tony_montana
Sep 25, 2007, 04:02 PM
"Burning Man" USED to be my favorite episode but...I think "Hal's Christmas Gift" has taken the place. :D

AlexTheMartian
Sep 25, 2007, 08:06 PM
I still want to go to Burning Man one day :thumbup1: .. but last i looked, its a bit pricy

yardgames
Oct 5, 2007, 10:44 PM
I second that! How could a festival in the middle of the desert be so expensive and why would anyone pay a few thousand dollars for a whole lot of nothingness?