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yardgames
Aug 18, 2005, 03:16 PM
I was watching Malcolm Babysites and came up with this excellent shot of the license plate of the car used by the rich people to drop Malcolm off. It was before teh times of high definition, though, and I couldn't figure out what state it is. I tried searching based on the design, but at the site I was at, I couldn't find anything that looked real similar.

So I've attached the picture; take a look, blow it up if you like. If anyone is good with Photoshop, see if you can clean it up and figure out which state it is, and end the state debate once and for all.

packer-backer
Aug 18, 2005, 03:38 PM
yard games i noticed this too. I was watching it about three weeks ago with my brother and we just happened to be talking about what state they might live in when the car pulled up in the driveway and my brother said hey! you can see the liscense plate. we watched it about 50 times and still couldnt figure it out. I think it might look like california but im not sure.

NeCoHo
Aug 18, 2005, 04:24 PM
I did a google search, this is what I found. I think California is the state, because that is what the plate says.

yardgames
Aug 18, 2005, 04:49 PM
That looks fairly similar, probably the closest we'll find.

Emrysgirl
Aug 18, 2005, 07:43 PM
It could be some type of special license plate (one step higher than personalized). I know they have those, but can individuals buy them?
States change their license plates. We should really be looking for an old one.
Maybe they'd just moved to the town from California.
Since it is California (where the show is filmed), wouldn't this be considered a goof instead?

yardgames
Aug 18, 2005, 08:32 PM
1 and 2. Someone ought to find a database that lists all of the license plates of each state, so we can see if that's the case. (they were rich)
3. I suppose it's possible, but if that's the case, then they furnished a rather large expensive house incredibly quickly.
4. It could be a goof but since I'm naieve and I like to believe they think of everything. :)

Garbage Kills Megan
Aug 19, 2005, 02:09 AM
That is the old California plate, the picture that J posted.

Emrysgirl
Aug 19, 2005, 02:39 AM
I thought I saw the same lisence plate design in SCRUBS today.

NeCoHo
Aug 19, 2005, 09:36 AM
Well, can anyone find a plate more similar?

4. It probably is a goof. I don't think the writers would be thinking that we are thinking about which statethey are from, and so they decided to use the CA plates, instead of a Idaho plate, or a Florida plate, but let's pretend it's not a goof.


Idea: Maybe if we narrow it down to which plate it deffenitly isn't, we can find what is is. It is not:
New Jersey
Florida
Pennslvannia

Squeaky Yugi
Aug 19, 2005, 09:41 AM
How do you know that it isn't those states?

NeCoHo
Aug 19, 2005, 10:00 AM
Because I live in NJ, and tourists always come from Florida and PA. The lincense plates don't match.

yardgames
Aug 19, 2005, 11:41 AM
I like in Wisconsin and it's definitely not Wisconsin. But Wisconsin is a pretty boring place, so we don't get too many out-of-state tourists; WI is the only state I can answer for.

packer-backer
Aug 19, 2005, 12:36 PM
I dont really think Wiconsin is that boring. At least the city i live. (Oshkosh). theres lots of stuff to do here and theyre building a water park in oshkosh that will open in may 2007. Im really exited about that, and in Green Bay where you said you live they have the Lambeau field tours and the Packers hall of fame if youre a packer fan yard games. (which im sure you are). Just thought id say that to yardgames.

yardgames
Aug 19, 2005, 12:40 PM
But, like J said, if you live in a place, the tourist attractions really don't do it for you. He said he lives near a beach, but never goes, because it's all tourist-y. You actually have to be a tourist to enjoy tourist attractions, I guess.

Emrysgirl
Aug 19, 2005, 01:02 PM
Not Missouri or Illinois:D.

yardgames
Aug 19, 2005, 01:15 PM
Anyone from CA that can confirm that's where the plates ARE from?

packer-backer
Aug 19, 2005, 03:41 PM
Once again i disagree with you yard games. i temporarilily lived with my dad in Orlando for the last four years of my life. Even at the end of the fourth year i never got tired of going to disney world, but besides that i guess i agree with you its not as fun unless youre a tourist, and if i lives there for four years even if it wasnt permanent would i still be considered a tourist?

yardgames
Aug 19, 2005, 03:51 PM
No, I think you would be considered a permanent resident.

Garbage Kills Megan
Aug 19, 2005, 07:10 PM
It's not Oregon or Washington or New Mexico or Idaho

Garbage Kills Megan
Aug 19, 2005, 07:14 PM
Here's a picture of all the license plates:

http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/isabellagrape/State_Plates.JPG


Problem is, these are just the regular plates. Most states have a bunch of other plates you can get. Oregon has 4 others available, I think. And I'm not sure how current that photo is.

samboo1
Aug 20, 2005, 06:32 AM
It does'nt really look like any of them. It has like a yellow stripe on top.

yardgames
Aug 20, 2005, 11:08 AM
Maybe it's a fake plate?

Maybe Aditi was on to something when she said it was a goof--it was just the opposite of a goof; they full thought of that scene and ordered a plate that doesn't really exist for that purpose.

Ryebeach
Aug 20, 2005, 05:20 PM
Maybe it's a fake plate?

Maybe Aditi was on to something when she said it was a goof--it was just the opposite of a goof; they full thought of that scene and ordered a plate that doesn't really exist for that purpose.
That's what I'm thinking. I'm assuming they wouldn't/couldn't use a real registered license plate for security purposes. People can track things down by license plate #'s and I'm assuming that's not something a show would do. My guess is it's a fake plate made by their art department either not based on any state in particular or if it is based on a state, using a bit of creativity so the audience cannot track it down to a particular state.

samboo1
Aug 21, 2005, 02:05 PM
I have an idea the state they are from begins with M. Because in the episode monkey, Reese wears a cap from the police which says MPD so obviously,M.........Police department. Its only an idea.:)

yardgames
Aug 21, 2005, 02:09 PM
Millbrook, maybe? Probably a city, and Milbrook comes to mind because that's the bomb squad Hal said he was from in Reese Joins the Army.

So the license plate isn't too much of a hint. But we know they live in or near a city that starts with M, and it must be near three counties, or in a major metropolitan area that covers three counties, because there have been plenty of instances in which the "tri-county area" has been referred to.

samboo1
Aug 21, 2005, 06:44 PM
Yeah, good idea. I am surprised though, that is has never been mentioned, the slightest bit.:confused:

Hal_fan
Aug 21, 2005, 06:59 PM
I agree with samboo, since you would of thought it would of been mentioned somewhere!

packer-backer
Aug 21, 2005, 07:19 PM
Hi halfan. Welcolme to the forums.

MalcolmReeseDewey
Sep 20, 2005, 03:52 PM
A lot of american cars as far as i know say California just above the numbers such as Jake Wyler's porsche in Not Another Teen Movie. Although i am not from the US so i don't have a clue!! Well done for looking though!

Garbage Kills Megan
Sep 20, 2005, 07:48 PM
Sometimes I think that if you put together all the clues they have given about their location, you would find that there is no specific place that works for them all. For example, their house is supposedly an 8 hour drive from Francis' school in Alabama, and also an 8 hour drive from the ranch. They can also drive to Vegas. Also, in one episode, Hal listed off a bunch of places he had driven Craig that day, and one of the was the beach. Plus there are a bunch of other clues that people have meantioned in the past. It might be impossible to drive to all those places in the given amount of time from one location. Who knows, though.

yardgames
Sep 21, 2005, 10:36 AM
Well, I have a man-made beach fifteen minutes from my house, so don't let that deter you. I think it's Colorado or New Mexico, though. There's no where in the US that's a thousand miles from Alaska (our biggest clue) so that's probably merely an exaggeration. If you ignore that clue, it starts to work out a bit more.

CJman327
Sep 23, 2005, 05:04 PM
Where do the Wilkersons live? I'm guessing in the middle of the U.S, because Francis was 5,000 miles away in Alabama, and the family could drive to Vegas. But they never seem to have snow.......but it appears to be cold there........:confused: Maybe they live in around Ohio or something like that. I don't know........:)
--CJMAN327:D

samboo1
Sep 23, 2005, 05:12 PM
I think this thread is gonna get merged. Read this thread.. http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=638 you can see what i think on there.:D

CJman327
Sep 23, 2005, 05:16 PM
Yep, that's where I got the idea. But this one(at least I think)is more specific.:)

yardgames
Sep 23, 2005, 05:42 PM
Yeah, this is at least the third topic on where the familiy is from. We also have one entitled "Can you get frost in California?" Search for it and check out our debate there. I'll merge this one with the thread you mentioned.

MalcolmReeseDewey
Sep 25, 2005, 06:11 AM
I know the the filmimg location (California) although i have no idea where it's actually meant to be set!

samboo1
Sep 25, 2005, 10:01 AM
Yeah, thats what we are trying to find out.:rolleyes:

Disciple Of Francis
Jan 5, 2006, 07:36 PM
I didn't know Wilkerson was unofficial, I wonder why I never knew it. Sky One actually used it during the advert for Season 7 though.

Amigo22
Jan 6, 2006, 03:01 AM
They mentioned it here in an article I read in the TV Guide the other day. As far as I know it's still unofficial, unless anything is mentioned about it in the DVD commentary?

Amigo22
Jan 6, 2006, 03:44 AM
From http://www.kidzworld.com/site/p2301.htm:

Wilkerson:


Although there has been speculation that the last name of Malcolm and his family is "Wilkerson" (creator Linwood Boomer wrote the name on the pilot script), their last name has never been revealed because they didn't want to label the family as a certain ethnic group.

Re where they live:



It's another detail that's never been revealed in an episode. Any ideas? And no, it's not Los Angeles (http://www.kidzworld.com/site/p2089.htm), CA - that's where Malcolm is filmed!


That doesn't really make sense to me, but thought I'd still post it anyway.

Amigo22
Jan 6, 2006, 03:49 AM
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_in_the_middle

Last name:


The last name of the family has been revealed only once in the show, in the pilot episode, where Francis wears the name tag "Wilkerson" on his school uniform (it can be seen best in the scene where he is talking with his family on the phone). Also, though unaired, it appears in a joke from the original pilot script. In that script, Malcolm was walking to school when a neighborhood kid came running up shouting, "Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm. I was talking to my parents last night - I was listening to them talk, and what's your last name?" "Wilkerson, why?" Malcolm replied. "Oh. Who are the Pariahs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariah)?" said the other kid. The joke was eventually cut. One theory of why their last name has been played down is that the producers did not want them to be typecast as any particular ethnicity, and they likely hoped rerun viewers would miss Francis' name tag.

Location:



The setting of the show has never been revealed. The locale doesn't appear to have noticeable seasons, and also appears not to be in a desert environment, so one could conjecture the setting is somewhere in suburban California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California) (the show is filmed in this state). Also, the schools the teens attend has the look and layout of a common California public school, with classes in many single story buildings, separated by open-air common areas, instead of a single multistory building.
In various scenes, especially in later seasons, license plates show a non-existing "Cherokee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_%28disambiguation%29) State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state)". Despite that, the look of the plates intentionally made like California's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California), such as the font of the words "Cherokee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_%28disambiguation%29) State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state)", and digits are in the format of "1 XXX 111", where 1 is a digit, and X is a letter. However, in one episode, Hal comes to visit Francis at military school and upon seeing his father, Francis exclaims, "you drove eight hours just to see me!" The school is known to be located in Alabama, so Malcolm's family must live within an eight-hour drive of the state, perhaps in Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida). On the other hand there is also an episode where Reese is sent to Whitehorse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehorse%2C_Yukon) on a bus for at least 52 hours. Malcom: "Reese, think about it. It takes 26 hours to get to Canada, and 26 hours to get back. Your bag is filled with food and nobody called Grandma!" Only Alaska is within a 26 hour drive of Whitehorse, Canada. However, in episode 43, Alaska is stated to be "5000 miles away. in the episode "Krelboyle Picnic", Francis says "So i'm still a member of the family even after you sent me away to military school 1,000 miles away".

It is also likely that there is no real-world location that is consistent with all the facts about Malcolm's location given in the show.
In episode 112, on a desk in the brother's room, is what appears to be an In-N-Out Burger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-N-Out_Burger) coffee mug. If this is true, its likely the show is in states such as California, Nevada, or Arizona as the In-N-Out food chain is ONLY in these three states. Although, because the show is filmed in California, it is likely just added there from a cast member or crew member, since In-N-Out is popular among celebrities.

Amigo22
Jan 6, 2006, 03:53 AM
Oh, and David, you'll be pleased to know the MITMVC is listed in that site's links list

Amigo22
Jan 6, 2006, 03:57 AM
That site also has age info, it's a table and it screwed up when I tried posting it here, so go to the Wikipedia link & scroll down.

Amigo22
Jan 6, 2006, 04:02 AM
Just read somewhere that MITM is filmed in Studio City - not sure whether that has anything to do with where they live in the show.

yardgames
Jan 6, 2006, 10:03 AM
No, that's not where they live; just where they film it. The Fox studios were filled up with shows back in 2000 when the show started shooting (1999 actually) so they rented out studios at CBS instead.

ajpp16
Jan 9, 2006, 03:13 AM
i thought they lived in idaho, cos in the episode wher dewey (tries to) looks after craigs cat when hes thinkin to himself while giving the cat food he "says" someday..u will be the president(not president - i cnt think of the actual word but same sort of thing i think) of idaho, anyone taller than u will be fed to wolves.

Amigo22
Jan 9, 2006, 04:11 AM
According to Justin Berfield's forum, the house was sold some time last year. I thought it was earlier than that.... it was for sale in the article I read a few years back... used to have a screencap of it but I can't find it on any of my CDs of MITM files :mad:. I doubt it would still be on the Internet either.

yardgames
Jan 9, 2006, 09:54 AM
i thought they lived in idaho, cos in the episode wher dewey (tries to) looks after craigs cat when hes thinkin to himself while giving the cat food he "says" someday..u will be the president(not president - i cnt think of the actual word but same sort of thing i think) of idaho, anyone taller than u will be fed to wolves. Yeah, but that's Dewey. He's weird like that. He could live in Maine and decide he wants to be king of Idaho for all we know. :D

ajpp16
Jan 9, 2006, 01:24 PM
Yeah, but that's Dewey. He's weird like that. He could live in Maine and decide he wants to be king of Idaho for all we know. :D
true lol..very true

tony_montana
Jan 9, 2006, 08:19 PM
I am casting my vote that the family lives in Southern California somewhere. My reasons stem from a few episodes, but mainly "Burning Man". Burning man is a real festival held every year in the desert of Nevada just south of Las Vegas. Now, if they live somewhere in S.California, it should only take a few hours to get out there, and you remember that Malcolm and Reese were going to hitchhick their way to the festival. Malcolm and Reese were going to leave on a Friday(in my book) and said they would be back on Monday. That would be an appropriate time frame to get to Burning man from S.California, stay at the festival a few days, then get home Monday.
Anyway, thats what I believe.:D Now the question is what city do they live in?:confused:

samboo1
Jan 10, 2006, 03:46 AM
I am casting my vote that the family lives in Southern California somewhere. My reasons stem from a few episodes, but mainly "Burning Man". Burning man is a real festival held every year in the desert of Nevada just south of Las Vegas. Now, if they live somewhere in S.California, it should only take a few hours to get out there, and you remember that Malcolm and Reese were going to hitchhick their way to the festival. Malcolm and Reese were going to leave on a Friday(in my book) and said they would be back on Monday. That would be an appropriate time frame to get to Burning man from S.California, stay at the festival a few days, then get home Monday.
Anyway, thats what I believe.:D Now the question is what city do they live in?:confused:There is still a lot of things that say it isnt Southern California though.

tony_montana
Jan 10, 2006, 11:29 PM
Like what? Look at the facts: It never snows, so a northern state is out, the trees that are scattered around on the show look like trees that grow out in that area, the buildings in town and the houses themselves look like houses they build in that area.
Like I said, I just really believe its S.California. There's alot of evidence to support the idea.

samboo1
Jan 11, 2006, 04:00 AM
Yeah, everyone has their opinions. But when i read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_in_the_middle#The_setting) is put me off the idea of it being in California, because of the list of reason it states, that it couldnt be in CA.

tony_montana
Jan 11, 2006, 05:42 PM
Man, I have to admit, that has some good points. You know, Im starting to believe it is a nonworld location because of the jubled info on how far stuff away is and such.

Today's Russian Phrase:
yes-Da

yardgames
Jan 11, 2006, 09:35 PM
I've merged this thread with one of our two other's on where the family lives. :D

Darren and I had a really good debate on the topic awhile back; he actually cited every episode where they gave a hint and we used maps to discover that there isn't actually a single place that matches every clue. But if you assume a few things are exaggerations, the southwestern area of the United States is the most probably bet. Maybe that debate was on the official Fox forums; I'll have to try and dig it up.

yardgames
Jan 11, 2006, 09:43 PM
Although the state has never actually been identified within the show, I feel that it may be possible to look at the evidence in a proactive way; and with the use of common logic, work it out via a process of elimination.
There are 50 states, and we can immediately eliminate Hawaii.
We also know that the family don’t live in Alabama and Alaska, because these are locations to which Francis moved. Also, if we look at a conversation in the ‘pilot’ episode between the younger siblings, we know that they are not in Florida either.
Malcolm: (…) plus its right next to Florida where Disney World is.
Dewey: I bet he goes to Disney World all the time.
If one was to adapt the same concept of logic, we can also eliminate Mississippi, Tennessee and Georgia, as they too are direct neighbours to Alabama.
Unfortunately, using the subject of Disney World, and Dewey’s naïve proximity to a location by association, we must also dismiss California, as a Disney World is present there also. This is despite the reality of the show being filmed in LA.
We can also seek other clues from episodes. For example, in season 5, the family visit Las Vegas for their first time. This, together with the driving distance for the city implies that they cannot live in Nevada.
From a conversation between Hal and Lois (Malcolm films Reese), we can eliminate New York also.
Hal: (…) there have been people flying back and forth from New York (…)
The statement of ‘back and forth’ may connote a significant distance, so I want to do something fundamental and eliminate New York’s direct neighbours. These are: Connecticut, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
And now for the big one:
In the episode “Emancipation’, Malcolm informs Francis that Alaska is 5,000 miles away from their home. If we were to take a scaled map of the USA and measure a radius of 5,000 miles from a central point in Alaska, i.e. Anchorage, we can exclude a lot of the Northern states. When I eventually locate my missing atlas, I will update this message; but I have eliminated 16 states so far.



A few more clues that spring to mind are:
-Hal saying they should get a few states behind them before telling Lois, when driving Francis back to Alabama at the end of Francis Escapes (season 1)
-The revelation that it hasn't snowed there in six years, according to Hal in the Standee episode.
-No coats are needed on Pearl Harbor Day (December 7th) in the Pearl Harbor episode. In fact, the neighbor goes out to fetch the paper in just his robe
-In the Traffic Jam episode, they're driving through a desert/southwest environment (looks like the area around Las Vegas) on the way back from the waterpark. The waterpark was within one day's drive, since they left home at sunrise to get there and were heading back the same day. And who drives more than a few hours to find a waterpark?
-In the Casino episode, they wind up on a desert artillery range. Again, this appears to be within a day's drive. There aren't many deserts, or artillery ranges, outside California/Nevada/Arizona/New Mexico.
So it all still pretty much points to southern california.



I would almost guarantee that they live in California, probably Los Angeles, for several reasons:
1. The climate, as already mentioned.
2. Their Car's License plates as mentioned.
3. Every Time a Police Car is seen it is a Los Angeles City Police Dept. Car, with Correct color scheme (Black and White) and carries the logo of the dept. with the Motto "To Protect and Serve"
4. The show is actually filmed in California and since nothing directly contradicts that as the location it would be the most simple.
5. The character's accents and English pronounciation, see below.
As far as I know, there are very few other places in the states, fitting all of these other specifications wherin all, or nearly all, of the residents speak what is referred to as General American English. The temperate climate eliminates such places as the north western and rocky mountain areas, while the southeastern portion of the counrty has, for the most part, a decidedly "southern" dialect, very different from that used on the show. Even Texas has a very strong accent and many local peculiarities that preclude it from ben ghte show's location. Nevada is obviously not correct since they must travel out of town to gamble in at least two episodes. The only other options with the similar speech would be Arizona and New Mexico the former of which I beleive to be the location of the Grotto Ranch where Francis worked due to the mention of Tucson as the closest major city.
On thing that is strange, if they do live in California, is the fact that they never go to the beach, or even mention it.



There may be another clue to the family’s location from the episode: ‘Buseys Run Away’. In one scene, Dewey informs his class mates that the leaves will soon be falling from the trees, thus revealing their hiding place.
In the autumn and winter seasons, deciduous trees do indeed lose their leaves. It is associated with their need for energy through photosynthesis. At times of year with low sunlight, such trees will conserve their energy by allowing their leaves to fall and to encourage energy by other means i.e. water via transpiration.
I was wondering though if this still exists in California, the most viable state for the MITM family, by previous evidence. After all, there is the constant presence of sunlight year round, and it is technically summer, in a climate sense, throughout every month, resulting in the leaves staying. Of course, I have never been to California, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Another note on this matter is that I am using an episode for reference that also featured a group of around 20 youngsters living in trees outside the family home, without anyone besides Dewey realising. With this in mind, it is fair to say that naturalistic conventions of realism are not within the show’s main priorities.

So apparently I wasn't part of that debate after all. :D I took excerpts from the official forums and avoided all the crap that the other people post there. Most of you probably don't know any ot those members; a couple posted here awhile back, and their ideas are still very good. This is probably the most evidence given to a specific location.

Wildcat
Jan 12, 2006, 12:49 AM
All I can say is "Wow!" These people have really thought this through and provided excellent supporting evidence to back up their claims. They should go join the Lost forum (those people love to analyze every single little detail and every comment a character makes too :D )

I tend to agree with those who think it's somewhere in the southwest (Arizona, New Mexico, S. Colorado, or even Nevada and Utah.) Maybe not so much Nevada since they had to travel to get to a casino and in Nevada there's casinos almost everywhere. I've been to all of those states and the background scenery in many of the driving scenes is very similiar to what you would see in any one of them. As BigFitz79 mentioned in Yardgames's post above, it looked like a very arid, desert region that they were driving through when they were coming back from the waterpark. Also in Jessica Stays Over, we see Hal driving to work and the scenery in the background looks very similar to what you would see in those states as well (dry-looking, not a lot of greenery, mountainous).

In addition, in several of the episodes there are hints that The Grotto is no more than a days drive from their home as well as in Malcolm's job when Dewey is able to get there all by himself. And we can be fairly certain that The Grotto is in either Arizona (Tuscon being the closest major city as mentioned above) or New Mexico due to hints about the Roswell incident from the episode where Francis dresses up as an alien (can't remember which one this is.) So in my opinion, most of the evidence clearly points to somewhere in the southwest.

tony_montana
Jan 12, 2006, 12:54 AM
I know I already posted my thoughts, but after thinking about it more i have to ask one question..um, does it really matter?

Today's Russian Phrase
Yes-Da

NeCoHo
Jan 12, 2006, 05:00 AM
Yes, we like to debate this, it's one of the MITMVC's main research projects.

Amigo22
Jan 12, 2006, 06:49 AM
The debate has certainly gone on a long time, and I don't know whether we will actually figure it out, but we are doing well with the info we have gathered.

And yep, it does matter to dedicated MITM fans like we are :)

yardgames
Jan 12, 2006, 09:53 AM
Certainly it's fun to debate, but Lindwood Boomer doesn't know. :D So unless the writers suddenly decide to tell us (as we've seen, pretty much impossible to pick a location consistent with all clues) we'll never know for sure.

admin
Jan 12, 2006, 09:58 AM
Certainly it's fun to debate, but Lindwood Boomer doesn't know. :D So unless the writers suddenly decide to tell us (as we've seen, pretty much impossible to pick a location consistent with all clues) we'll never know for sure.

If you piece together all the clues that have been given in the episodes, then there is no geograpical place on earth that it can possibly be. I wrote an FAQ on this a few weeks a go too :D

http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/faq.php?faq=general1#faq_wheredotheylive

Wildcat
Jan 12, 2006, 11:10 AM
We'll likely never know--just like we'll never know for sure whether Wilkerson is their real last name, but we've come to accept that as fact based on the evidence so why not this? It's fun to speculate and narrowing it down to at least a general area gives us a sense of closure. :D

Amigo22
Jan 12, 2006, 07:09 PM
We'll likely never know--just like we'll never know for sure whether Wilkerson is their real last name, but we've come to accept that as fact based on the evidence so why not this? It's fun to speculate and narrowing it down to at least a general area gives us a sense of closure. :D

But they're revealing it in the next episode aren't they? Didn't someone see that in an ad?

yardgames
Jan 12, 2006, 07:16 PM
If you piece together all the clues that have been given in the episodes, then there is no geograpical place on earth that it can possibly be. I wrote an FAQ on this a few weeks a go too :D

http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/faq.php?faq=general1#faq_wheredotheylive
Gee, David, thanks for telling us about those FAQs! :D Anyway, the evidence I brought together is much better than your copy of the Wikipedia, anyhow. :D And watch those spoilers, Amigo! I don't wanna know. :)

simon_4420
Jan 12, 2006, 07:33 PM
But they're revealing it in the next episode aren't they? Didn't someone see that in an ad?


I think that was Samboo refering to the SkyOne advert for advertising Season 7, as it say's something like " spend Sunday evenings with the Wilkersons and the Simpsons on SkyOne" Nothing to do with the next episode, if I've got it right:)

Deweyrules!
Jun 17, 2006, 01:11 PM
Are we ever given a specific area in which the Wilkersons live, presumably it's California, but whereabouts?

NeCoHo
Jun 17, 2006, 01:35 PM
From what we've been able to uncover(due to license plates and climate) we have been led to believe that it's setting is Southern California.

Wildcat
Jun 17, 2006, 01:41 PM
From what we've been able to uncover(due to license plates and climate) we have been led to believe that it's setting is Southern California.

Also in Morp, Janine (was that her name?) said something to Reese about getting a bottle of wine and going to the beach, which leads us to believe that they are located on the coast.

yardgames
Jun 17, 2006, 03:05 PM
I have plenty of beaches near my house, thank you very much, and one of them is man-made. :) I do believe we have a thread about their location already, but if this turns into strictly a discussion on that topic I shall merge it. :)

wando
Jun 17, 2006, 07:35 PM
ive just been watching Bride of ida, and as this seems to be turning into a house location thread ;) i think i may have found out a little more info on the house.

the picture below is of the airport that dewey, hal, and lois are flying from. In the right hand corner of the picture the stratashere hotel is there. this is a vegas hotel, so presumably in the show this is the closest airport to where they are suppose to live. just another idea on their location.

Wildcat
Jun 17, 2006, 07:48 PM
Nice observation, wando. That's definitely the Vegas airport. They could have been filming in Vegas and it was convienent for an airport shot (weren't there some shots of vegas for Reese's wedding scene?), but it's nice to think that they were dropping a little hint as to where they live.:D

tony_montana
Jun 17, 2006, 08:47 PM
I still say they live in Southern California. You can get to Vegas in a matter of hours from there.

Deweyrules!
Jun 18, 2006, 07:27 AM
Why would they go on a trip to Vegas if they live there? I agree, I think it's Southern California.

yardgames
Jun 18, 2006, 03:51 PM
They went on a trip to Vegas because that's where the bunny national championships were located.

Deweyrules!
Jun 18, 2006, 03:57 PM
Yes, but it was built up as a 'trip', surely if they lived in the suburbs of Vegas, it wouldn't be a big deal for them to visit vegas.

yardgames
Jun 18, 2006, 06:24 PM
They can live far enough away from Vegas that it's a big deal to go there and close enough that it's the largest international airport.

Deweyrules!
Jun 18, 2006, 06:35 PM
In the pilot, how far did they say Military school was?

yardgames
Jun 18, 2006, 07:23 PM
1,000 miles away. I've tried it once and technically if you take all teh clues you're given there's no possible place they could live.

Deweyrules!
Jun 18, 2006, 07:40 PM
Maybe it's like Lost, their in a parallel univeristy or purgatory or something :D

tony_montana
Jun 18, 2006, 07:45 PM
I smell something Star Treky in this.:D

Amigo22
Jun 18, 2006, 09:00 PM
All the clues they've given were just given to make us THINK we can figure out their location.

NeCoHo
Jun 19, 2006, 08:17 AM
Or maybe they live in Anytown, USA. :D

Alfista Junior
Jun 19, 2006, 09:32 AM
Actually, this topic is kinda weird. I mean the location where they're supposed to live interfers with the location where the show is filmed. Even if they don't give enough clues to figure out where they live, we can't not accept what we see. We see houses and street in the CBS studios, the School on the studios too, we see the californian landscape and a lot of studio city's streets. So, for me, what I see is stronger than their silence. So, I implicitly think they live in California and it's not because the producers refuse to say literally Malcolm's family live in some definite city in Californnia that they're strongly opposed we are under the feeling they live somewhere in California.


Not being accurate is a tool they often used because hiding exact locations, family names etc.. has always given the producers the opportunity to keep us staring at the true core of the show. It also provide an opportunity not to have their hands tied. (I'm not sure of this expression: I mean they will always have all the choices when they write a new plot)
Mystery is something usefull: because you use your imagination, you don't just accept what you hear or see without thinking. In Mitm they often intentionally forget to provide us some keys of the plot in order to make our brain work..

We cannot say they live in California but we know they don't live outside california...

tony_montana
Jun 19, 2006, 12:10 PM
Fine. If I use my imagination, they live in Hawaii.:D

Deweyrules!
Jun 19, 2006, 07:57 PM
Although what Alfista Junior says is probably the most likely explanation, who likes likely- I'm sticking with purgatory...or Disneyland!

@tony montana, I have never watched an episode of Star Trek, Star Wars or anything with Star in the title- I have a slight fear of all that is sci-fi

jetcombo15
Jun 20, 2006, 11:25 AM
There isn't really a point in trying to figure out where they live, considering the writers themselves don't know. Even though they give all these clues, they're not actually trying to be consistent with a real world location, such as a certain state or city.

NeCoHo
Jun 20, 2006, 11:35 AM
We understand that, but we like taking things a step further. :D

Welcome to the forums, If you have any questions, PM me, Yardgames, or Wildcat, your friendly mods. Enjoy the forums!

@Tom- sci-fi scares you? I weep for you, it is the future, after all... :D

yardgames
Jun 20, 2006, 12:42 PM
There isn't really a point in trying to figure out where they live, considering the writers themselves don't know. Even though they give all these clues, they're not actually trying to be consistent with a real world location, such as a certain state or city.
Yeah, you'll soon find out we enjoy discussing hypothetical situations where no one can really be wrong because there's no true right answer. We have quite a few discussions like this that pop up every now and then. :) Welcome to the forums--have fun.

jetcombo15
Jun 20, 2006, 04:01 PM
Well, when guessing, try not to take into account the looks of the school, or the weather or something similar to that. Obviously, since it's filmed in California, it's going to have California weather, and the school is going to look like a typical Californian school, even though it might be set somewhere else.
Thanks for the welcome. I mainly came here looking for a place to talk about this (now underrated and overlooked) show. It really saddens me the show had to end now. I'm sure it could have kept going for at least one more season, if FOX gave it a little more promotion. But then again, That 70s Show gets much better ratings and is just so much funnier, with its great laugh track and dead-end jokes, obviously that should get promoted to no end.

Wildcat
Jun 20, 2006, 04:12 PM
Allow me to welcome you to the forum as well, jetcombo15. You came to the right place if you want to talk about MITM. :) Like you, many of us are very bitter that FOX didn't promote the show this final season. You should find our Underrated (http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1467)thread very interesting if you haven't seen it yet!

Deweyrules!
Jun 20, 2006, 06:32 PM
@J. Sci-Fi is a pervese idea of the future, thought up by someone with a life size carboard cut out of Spock :D I dunno, I guess I'm just not fascinated by it.

jetcombo15
Jun 20, 2006, 07:07 PM
What I find ironic is that the That 70s Show finale, which got promoted for weeks, got about 9.3 million viewers that night, while the Malcolm finale, which had literally no promotion at all, got about 7.5 million viewers, just under 2 million viewers less. Marginal difference for a network like FOX, which only cares about ratings.

tony_montana
Jun 21, 2006, 06:30 PM
Back to the topic of where the family is from, I just watched "Vegas" on reruns a few minutes ago and at the end in the car, Hal says, "So, ten hours of stony silence?" So there's another clue.:)

Deweyrules!
Jun 21, 2006, 07:06 PM
Might just be their crappy car though :)

jetcombo15
Jun 21, 2006, 07:07 PM
It would still have to be fast enough to go with the flow of the traffic, though. Unless they're taking a completely deserted road.

yardgames
Jun 21, 2006, 07:40 PM
Probably another clue that means about as much as the reference in the Pilot that Alabama is 1000 miles from where they live and in Francis Escapes where Marlin is eight states away.

Deweyrules!
Jun 22, 2006, 08:29 AM
Isn't the ranch supposed to be about 8 hours away, when Francis drives back home to prove to Lois that he is not lazy.

yardgames
Jun 22, 2006, 10:51 AM
I think it's closer than that, because Francis actually visits rather frequently and without much planning involved. Like when Dewey hitchhikes, or when Francis comes home to help with the new baby or when Hal is indicted..

Wildcat
Jun 22, 2006, 12:00 PM
Didn't they actually say that the ranch is in New Mexico once? Or did I just assume that cause of the whole Roswell thing in one ep? If it's in New Mexico, 8 hours in any direction could be Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Utah or Arizona. Probably wouldn't be able to make it to Southern California from New Mexico in 8 hours though.

steve
Jul 2, 2006, 09:20 PM
So the house they film at (for outside shots) is in LA, so basically the family live in LA...but IN THE SHOW we DONT know where the family is from...so the producers are basically telling us to work it out for ourselves.

All i wanted to know is where the house is...the house they film at is in LA, so in my opinion, the family are filmed at the house in LA, therefore live in LA and consequently the family in the show are from LA...thats good enough for me

what you guys think?

Steve :)

Carter
Mar 19, 2008, 04:19 PM
Hey, I just wonder which city the Wilkeson live's in?

yardgames
Mar 19, 2008, 04:44 PM
Many a conversation we've had on that. Some people say, CA, others NM, others that it's totally fictional and no place matches all the hints we're given. There's no "correct" answer. What are your views? Welcome to the community--have fun and if you ever have any questions feel free to PM myself or tjpeople.

Carter
Mar 20, 2008, 11:36 AM
I belive that they are record MITM in CA but it will lead in NM??

yardgames
Mar 20, 2008, 12:02 PM
What makes you think NM? Don't be afraid to elaborate. :)

Carter
Mar 20, 2008, 06:57 PM
What makes you think NM? Don't be afraid to elaborate. :)

I don't really know...:blushing:

yardgames
May 22, 2008, 04:46 PM
Glad we're so specific in our intuitions. :D:D

Amigo22
May 22, 2008, 08:25 PM
What's NM?

yardgames
May 23, 2008, 01:05 AM
NM would be New Mexico. Every state has a two letter abbreviation.

jdl382
Jul 21, 2008, 12:05 AM
They live in Ohio. Remember Francis' school was an eight hour drive away. It makes the most sense.

Lozart
Aug 28, 2008, 11:22 PM
They live in Ohio. Remember Francis' school was an eight hour drive away. It makes the most sense.

Hm... makes good sense =)

Sickboy21
Jan 24, 2009, 03:38 PM
Ok. So, I've read most of this read and there are some inconsistencies regarding Alabama's distance from "home" and the drive time. Francis mentions numerous times that he is 1000 miles from home yet, it is only an eight hour drive. By my calculations that would be driving at an average of 125 mph (around 200 kmph) with no stops factored in. While Hal and Lois both have personalities that may allow them to do this, it is much more viable that Francis is exaggerating the distance to make Lois feel guilty.
This would completely eliminate any part of California from the discussion. It's at least 1500 miles from Alabama to California.

I like the Ohio idea. Having lived in Cincinnati, I am aware of a waterpark called "The Beach". Perhaps this is where Hal drove Graig. However, it definitely snows in all parts of Ohio every year.

Give me a couple months to rewatch all the episodes and if there is an answer, I will find it.

P.S. Hi, nice to meet everyone.

tjpeople
Jan 25, 2009, 05:48 AM
Ok. So, I've read most of this read and there are some inconsistencies regarding Alabama's distance from "home" and the drive time. Francis mentions numerous times that he is 1000 miles from home yet, it is only an eight hour drive. By my calculations that would be driving at an average of 125 mph (around 200 kmph) with no stops factored in. While Hal and Lois both have personalities that may allow them to do this, it is much more viable that Francis is exaggerating the distance to make Lois feel guilty.
This would completely eliminate any part of California from the discussion. It's at least 1500 miles from Alabama to California.

I like the Ohio idea. Having lived in Cincinnati, I am aware of a waterpark called "The Beach". Perhaps this is where Hal drove Graig. However, it definitely snows in all parts of Ohio every year.

Give me a couple months to rewatch all the episodes and if there is an answer, I will find it.

P.S. Hi, nice to meet everyone.

Welcome Sickboy21, its great to see such an intelligent first post. If you need any help you can email me from the link below.

griz
Feb 26, 2009, 12:40 AM
In "Hal's Christmas Present" Lois gets into a "demolition derby" fight with another woman in a parking lot. There is a solid image of the other woman's license plate which reads "Cherokee State." More than likely, it could be a descriptor/slogan for Oklahoma (according to a Google search). OK seems to fit in terms of time and distance from Francis' school as well as the dude ranch.

?????

Who knows...

tjpeople
Feb 26, 2009, 06:46 AM
In "Hal's Christmas Present" Lois gets into a "demolition derby" fight with another woman in a parking lot. There is a solid image of the other woman's license plate which reads "Cherokee State." More than likely, it could be a descriptor/slogan for Oklahoma (according to a Google search). OK seems to fit in terms of time and distance from Francis' school as well as the dude ranch.

?????

Who knows...

Welcome griz, we hope you enjoy your stay.

If you need any help you can email me. (http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/sendmessage.php)

AlexTheMartian
Feb 27, 2009, 07:22 AM
In "Hal's Christmas Present" Lois gets into a "demolition derby" fight with another woman in a parking lot. There is a solid image of the other woman's license plate which reads "Cherokee State." More than likely, it could be a descriptor/slogan for Oklahoma (according to a Google search). OK seems to fit in terms of time and distance from Francis' school as well as the dude ranch.

?????

Who knows...

yeah it seems like oklahoma is close to where they could be in many episodes, because of the things you pointed out, but the first episode of the second season "Traffic Jam" doesn't look like they are anywhere in central united states. They are on a road surrounded by mountainous terrain and it is extremely hot, it looks to be somewhere in southwestern united states. However they are on their way home from the water park, but also why would they drive all the way to another state to go to a water park.

Freack
May 31, 2009, 05:13 PM
Tv shows are inacurrate when it comes to location and all of that other stuff. Out of all the episodes I've seen it snows in none of them (Excluding the ones where francis is in Alaska), and there is an episode where Hal lets the boys ditch school to go to the stockcar races. The speedway they go to is Irwindale speedway, there is a sign in the episode showing that, and I recognize it because I've been there before. Irwindale speedway is in California, and if it never snows their residence must be in the western Unitedstates.

Lparsons7981
May 31, 2009, 05:47 PM
I like to think of it as in simply "Anytown" USA :) Though when I was younger I assumed California.

Richiepiep
Jun 9, 2009, 06:23 PM
Although the actual location used is not necessarily where the producers wish us to believe the story is set, I guess this should be common knowledge by now.

It's on Wikipedia and in our FAQ section:

Actual location of the Wilkerson house (http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=766&d=1244581273)

Studio City is a Los Angeles district.

Rich

tjpeople
Jun 9, 2009, 07:24 PM
Although the actual location used is not necessarily where the producers wish us to believe the story is set, I guess this should be common knowledge by now.

It's on Wikipedia and in our FAQ section:

Actual location of the Wilkerson house (http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=766&d=1244581273)

Studio City is a Los Angeles district.

Rich

We have 2 threads on it, with photos and all. This thread is for the fictional family location. Discuss the actual location in these threads.

http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1210
http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1249

mr.tamnus
Jun 10, 2009, 08:40 PM
I realized they cant live in California because in the Vegas episode, Hal says it will take 10 hours to get back home, (he says this at the end, at the gas station). California borders Nevada and from anywhere in southern california it would take 4 hours

Richiepiep
Jun 11, 2009, 11:40 AM
We have 2 threads on it, with photos and all. This thread is for the fictional family location. Discuss the actual location in these threads.

http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1210
http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1249

Aw, thanks for putting me straight on this. I got mixed up. Anyway, if the producers are deliberately unspecific about the family's last name and locations, I myself accept the quick, dirty but also very comforting notion that the family 'live' where the outside scene are filmed.

Rich

mr.tamnus
Jun 11, 2009, 06:12 PM
EVERYONE, I live in California and those are not the plates. Also 2 things,
1) It takes the family 10 hours to get home from Las Vegas, and even northern California from Vegas is only 8.
2) Francis goes to school in Alabama, yet he comes home very often, even sometimes riding the bus. The got to live some where atleast somewhat close I would think.

I highly doubt that it is California, but the Houseboat episode and the Traffic Jam episode could suggest that. Also it doesnt snow on the show and they do go to the mountians in " Hal's Christmas Gift ", actually, maybe it is California

Lparsons7981
Jun 11, 2009, 07:54 PM
EVERYONE, I live in California and those are not the plates. Also 2 things,
1) It takes the family 10 hours to get home from Las Vegas, and even northern California from Vegas is only 8.
2) Francis goes to school in Alabama, yet he comes home very often, even sometimes riding the bus. The got to live some where atleast somewhat close I would think.

I highly doubt that it is California, but the Houseboat episode and the Traffic Jam episode could suggest that. Also it doesnt snow on the show and they do go to the mountians in " Hal's Christmas Gift ", actually, maybe it is California

I think it is on purpose not possibly any one place in America. It is like the Simpsons in that respect I think.

mr.tamnus
Jun 11, 2009, 11:43 PM
I just saw the episode where the boys are at the carnival. Abe's license plate is a california license plate and he says he just got the van. So to answer everyones question, I have come to the conclusion the family lives in CALIFORNIA

MITM_Fan
Jun 12, 2009, 10:13 PM
I just saw the episode where the boys are at the carnival. Abe's license plate is a california license plate and he says he just got the van. So to answer everyones question, I have come to the conclusion the family lives in CALIFORNIA

Yeah somewhere there.

If anyone know the exact place, if you do live in U.S.A near there, please take a photo of the house they've used.

It had much free space, a garage, a garden, backyard, oh well a great place to live in.:wub:

tjpeople
Jun 13, 2009, 12:14 AM
If anyone know the exact place, if you do live in U.S.A near there, please take a photo of the house they've used.


here: http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1249

Amigo22
Jun 14, 2009, 03:08 AM
I just Googled the address of the actual house and found this site (http://www.trulia.com/homes/California/Studio_City/sold/1265070-12334-Cantura-St-Studio-City-CA-91604)with photos of what the house looks like both inside and outside, and the street view (http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q=12334+Cantura+St,+Studio+City,+Los+Angeles,+Cali fornia+91604,+United+States&ie=UTF8&ct=clnk&cd=1&geocode=FWv2CAIdn1Tx-A&split=0) on Google Maps

Richiepiep
Jun 14, 2009, 07:18 PM
I just Googled the address of the actual house and found this site (http://www.trulia.com/homes/California/Studio_City/sold/1265070-12334-Cantura-St-Studio-City-CA-91604)with photos of what the house looks like both inside and outside, and the street view (http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q=12334+Cantura+St,+Studio+City,+Los+Angeles,+Cali fornia+91604,+United+States&ie=UTF8&ct=clnk&cd=1&geocode=FWv2CAIdn1Tx-A&split=0) on Google Maps

Brilliant finds all! That's a damn nicely decorated place. You couldn't imagine the Wilkersons living there - except in Dewey's fertile imagination ;)

Rich

Jayhost
Aug 18, 2009, 01:24 AM
wherever it is, it rarely snows but it does happen. i remember in one of the intro clips Mal, Reese, and Dewey fooled the old lady like three times to get things out of her. in one of their schemes they wore winter clothes and said "we shoveled your yard" and then when Hal said in another episode "it hasn't snowed in a year"

i don't know if that helps at all, lol

Seal87
Sep 4, 2009, 08:44 PM
I was watching Malcolm Babysites and came up with this excellent shot of the license plate of the car used by the rich people to drop Malcolm off. It was before teh times of high definition, though, and I couldn't figure out what state it is. I tried searching based on the design, but at the site I was at, I couldn't find anything that looked real similar.

So I've attached the picture; take a look, blow it up if you like. If anyone is good with Photoshop, see if you can clean it up and figure out which state it is, and end the state debate once and for all.

People from California can get rich just by selling their house and moving to another state. It happens all the time.


Once again i disagree with you yard games. i temporarilily lived with my dad in Orlando for the last four years of my life. Even at the end of the fourth year i never got tired of going to disney world, but besides that i guess i agree with you its not as fun unless youre a tourist, and if i lives there for four years even if it wasnt permanent would i still be considered a tourist?

They thought it was a pretty big deal to go to the tri-county fair, and their parents already knew the carnys.


I have an idea the state they are from begins with M. Because in the episode monkey, Reese wears a cap from the police which says MPD so obviously,M.........Police department. Its only an idea.:)

Well if it was the state police, maybe. I think he got caught by local police though. Actually when he was on the highway during his driving test, maybe there were some signs visible.

One time Dewey went to a dock to get sand for the baby. He was able to get there on local busses. The yard and the way the house has a mountain close behind it looks like any small town in AZ. Of coarse the counties in that state don't combine into 3 anywhere that I know of. Also judging distance by hours isn't at all constant. If you go to Las Vegas from anywhere, depending on the time of day or year it can highly vary your driving time. If you have to cross the Hoover dam it could be a 10 hour drive from pretty much anywhere in an adjacent state. I've lived in AZ and MA. When I had to take my wife to the hospital 20 miles away, in MA, it took an hour, because of their traffic patterns. That was on a 5 lane highway. In AZ I lived at a ranch 30 miles from town where the hospital was, and could get there in 19 minutes. The speed limit is 75 on that highway. Of coarse I usually drove 80.

Yeah, a dock can be at a lake or river, so it doesn't preclude landlocked states. It could be Texas, if you don't cling to the asumption everybody there is done up like cowboys. They even border the gulf of mexico, which could make for any mention of water bodies.

If you discount any mention of driving hours and only include actual miles mentioned, and consider even some of those were said in an emotional outburst and could be exadurated, then the impossibility fades some more.


I didn't know Wilkerson was unofficial, I wonder why I never knew it. Sky One actually used it during the advert for Season 7 though.

I had been wondering, and then thought it was Jetson because of Reese's Liscense he used to get into the Army, but I guess it was fake.

the weather and school look like any place in AZ, NM or maybe TX and OK too. It could be NV as well because the traffic is so slow near Vegas any amount of time would mean nothing of the distance from there.


I am casting my vote that the family lives in Southern California somewhere. My reasons stem from a few episodes, but mainly "Burning Man". Burning man is a real festival held every year in the desert of Nevada just south of Las Vegas. Now, if they live somewhere in S.California, it should only take a few hours to get out there, and you remember that Malcolm and Reese were going to hitchhick their way to the festival. Malcolm and Reese were going to leave on a Friday(in my book) and said they would be back on Monday. That would be an appropriate time frame to get to Burning man from S.California, stay at the festival a few days, then get home Monday.
Anyway, thats what I believe.:D Now the question is what city do they live in?:confused:

Didn't the kids at Marlin Academy also mention going to Burning Man?


I am casting my vote that the family lives in Southern California somewhere. My reasons stem from a few episodes, but mainly "Burning Man". Burning man is a real festival held every year in the desert of Nevada just south of Las Vegas. Now, if they live somewhere in S.California, it should only take a few hours to get out there, and you remember that Malcolm and Reese were going to hitchhick their way to the festival. Malcolm and Reese were going to leave on a Friday(in my book) and said they would be back on Monday. That would be an appropriate time frame to get to Burning man from S.California, stay at the festival a few days, then get home Monday.
Anyway, thats what I believe.:D Now the question is what city do they live in?:confused:
If it is California, at all it should be easy to figure out. It's in a tri-county area. They let their kids go outside, and there are no drivebys, so it isn't a gang neighborhood. Everybody seems to know English too. I would say that excludes most of S. CA, but it's TV so it doesn't really.


Yeah, everyone has their opinions. But when i read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_in_the_middle#The_setting) is put me off the idea of it being in California, because of the list of reason it states, that it couldnt be in CA.

The high inflation of California may have an effect on their finances. They never mention how much they make, but they have cable about half the time and live in a house rather than an apartment. They have a lot of kids to feed and both parents always work, yet are home at the same time, around half of the time. Flashbacks indicate that Hal used to be a Yuppy, a successful office worker of the 80s. They could be in Texas if his company was Enron. Nobody mentions that state. It's a very large state and it's ignorant to assume every town there is loaded with dinner plate buckle wearing country fans.


So apparently I wasn't part of that debate after all. :D I took excerpts from the official forums and avoided all the crap that the other people post there. Most of you probably don't know any ot those members; a couple posted here awhile back, and their ideas are still very good. This is probably the most evidence given to a specific location.

there was a place called Wet and Wild in Las Vegas, a water park. and there is a mountain behind their house. Also, even if the Grotto is near Tucson, it takes a long time to drive between places in AZ. Texas is also big. They don't have to be outside Texas due to lack of drawl, or any other southern state. They all have communities that don't fit stereotypes. Where is Linnwood from? If you include factors added from his childhood and consider the show is made in California, it may be some good elimination.


All I can say is "Wow!" These people have really thought this through and provided excellent supporting evidence to back up their claims. They should go join the Lost forum (those people love to analyze every single little detail and every comment a character makes too :D )

I tend to agree with those who think it's somewhere in the southwest (Arizona, New Mexico, S. Colorado, or even Nevada and Utah.) Maybe not so much Nevada since they had to travel to get to a casino and in Nevada there's casinos almost everywhere. I've been to all of those states and the background scenery in many of the driving scenes is very similiar to what you would see in any one of them. As BigFitz79 mentioned in Yardgames's post above, it looked like a very arid, desert region that they were driving through when they were coming back from the waterpark. Also in Jessica Stays Over, we see Hal driving to work and the scenery in the background looks very similar to what you would see in those states as well (dry-looking, not a lot of greenery, mountainous).

In addition, in several of the episodes there are hints that The Grotto is no more than a days drive from their home as well as in Malcolm's job when Dewey is able to get there all by himself. And we can be fairly certain that The Grotto is in either Arizona (Tuscon being the closest major city as mentioned above) or New Mexico due to hints about the Roswell incident from the episode where Francis dresses up as an alien (can't remember which one this is.) So in my opinion, most of the evidence clearly points to somewhere in the southwest.

I think they did mention Roswell in that episode. There have been UFO crashes near Kingman AZ and the Phoenix lights a couple of times, but NM has a lot of Reservations that keep major cities from growing, so it could be either one. They do border.


Also in Morp, Janine (was that her name?) said something to Reese about getting a bottle of wine and going to the beach, which leads us to believe that they are located on the coast.

There are Beaches at lakes too, I've been to them.


ive just been watching Bride of ida, and as this seems to be turning into a house location thread i think i may have found out a little more info on the house.

the picture below is of the airport that dewey, hal, and lois are flying from. In the right hand corner of the picture the stratashere hotel is there. this is a vegas hotel, so presumably in the show this is the closest airport to where they are suppose to live. just another idea on their location.

That's awesome. It is the closest airport with economic flights for hundreds of miles around. I pretty much always used it rather than the Phoenix one, when living in AZ. It may have been a better alternative than LA's as well, or from Utah.


Actually, this topic is kinda weird. I mean the location where they're supposed to live interfers with the location where the show is filmed. Even if they don't give enough clues to figure out where they live, we can't not accept what we see. We see houses and street in the CBS studios, the School on the studios too, we see the californian landscape and a lot of studio city's streets. So, for me, what I see is stronger than their silence. So, I implicitly think they live in California and it's not because the producers refuse to say literally Malcolm's family live in some definite city in Californnia that they're strongly opposed we are under the feeling they live somewhere in California.


Not being accurate is a tool they often used because hiding exact locations, family names etc.. has always given the producers the opportunity to keep us staring at the true core of the show. It also provide an opportunity not to have their hands tied. (I'm not sure of this expression: I mean they will always have all the choices when they write a new plot)
Mystery is something usefull: because you use your imagination, you don't just accept what you hear or see without thinking. In Mitm they often intentionally forget to provide us some keys of the plot in order to make our brain work..

We cannot say they live in California but we know they don't live outside california...

That's like in a show when somebody is lying down and they might be dead. You still can't tell if they're supposed to be, or not, even if they breath, shift or fart.


Allow me to welcome you to the forum as well, jetcombo15. You came to the right place if you want to talk about MITM. Like you, many of us are very bitter that FOX didn't promote the show this final season. You should find our Underrated thread very interesting if you haven't seen it yet!

Networks do that all the time. It's like a King a couple of thousand years ago, put a guy on the front battle lines and told everybody to run off and leave him, so he could get the guys wife. They set things up to fail, just so they can pretend that it's what people wanted. They really aren't interested in what the audience wants, or they wouldn't feel in control. Most of my favorite shows get hung out to dry this way. Some even survive it, being moved without notice to different time slots, so they can say nobody was watching it. There was Sliders, The Flash, Starman, The Wonder Years, Married With Children, My So Called Life, Terminator, Sarah Connor Chronicles, Knight Rider, Kyle XY, Journeyman, Do Over, Second Time Around, Now and Again, and they killed Star Trek the same way, once after each season it had to be revived by loud fans. After 3 they just didn't listen. The funny thing with Sliders though, was that they did a Weekend at Bernies with the 5th season. Dragging around a corpse.


@J. Sci-Fi is a pervese idea of the future, thought up by someone with a life size carboard cut out of Spock I dunno, I guess I'm just not fascinated by it.

Some Sci Fi takes place in the past or present. Star Trek did like to cram in a lot of political crap though. It's a lot like school house rock: Ooh a cartoon! wait a minute, this isn't entertaining, they're trying to make me go to school on Saturday! Fortunately I guess sometimes when it went too far, somebody grounded Star Trek. well they let 3 of the series' continue to the end, but the Original and Enterprise offended a lot of sensibilities, when they would go where nobody wanted to.


What I find ironic is that the That 70s Show finale, which got promoted for weeks, got about 9.3 million viewers that night, while the Malcolm finale, which had literally no promotion at all, got about 7.5 million viewers, just under 2 million viewers less. Marginal difference for a network like FOX, which only cares about ratings.

It's like the news networks. They assume you're already rooting for who you want, and they support the less popular notions, and even present them as what everybody likes. Notice they can never do an opinion poll in one take?


Back to the topic of where the family is from, I just watched "Vegas" on reruns a few minutes ago and at the end in the car, Hal says, "So, ten hours of stony silence?" So there's another clue.

Well that could be just over the Hoover dam on some days of the year.


Probably another clue that means about as much as the reference in the Pilot that Alabama is 1000 miles from where they live and in Francis Escapes where Marlin is eight states away.

8 states is kind of specific. What's 8 away from AL?


Ok. So, I've read most of this read and there are some inconsistencies regarding Alabama's distance from "home" and the drive time. Francis mentions numerous times that he is 1000 miles from home yet, it is only an eight hour drive. By my calculations that would be driving at an average of 125 mph (around 200 kmph) with no stops factored in. While Hal and Lois both have personalities that may allow them to do this, it is much more viable that Francis is exaggerating the distance to make Lois feel guilty.
This would completely eliminate any part of California from the discussion. It's at least 1500 miles from Alabama to California.

I like the Ohio idea. Having lived in Cincinnati, I am aware of a waterpark called "The Beach". Perhaps this is where Hal drove Graig. However, it definitely snows in all parts of Ohio every year.

Give me a couple months to rewatch all the episodes and if there is an answer, I will find it.

P.S. Hi, nice to meet everyone.

The weather is only a factor of it's filming location. Only leave out Ohio if it's too far away from the other places Francis had to come home from.


yeah it seems like oklahoma is close to where they could be in many episodes, because of the things you pointed out, but the first episode of the second season "Traffic Jam" doesn't look like they are anywhere in central united states. They are on a road surrounded by mountainous terrain and it is extremely hot, it looks to be somewhere in southwestern united states. However they are on their way home from the water park, but also why would they drive all the way to another state to go to a water park.

There are mountains in OK. Also they might have been passing through the Ozarks on the way back from Oceans of Fun in KC MO.


I realized they cant live in California because in the Vegas episode, Hal says it will take 10 hours to get back home, (he says this at the end, at the gas station). California borders Nevada and from anywhere in southern california it would take 4 hours

I would agree except for how bad traffic can be in the Cities of Las Vegas and Los Angeles. That can take all day if you include their city traffic.


EVERYONE, I live in California and those are not the plates. Also 2 things,
1) It takes the family 10 hours to get home from Las Vegas, and even northern California from Vegas is only 8.
2) Francis goes to school in Alabama, yet he comes home very often, even sometimes riding the bus. The got to live some where atleast somewhat close I would think.

I highly doubt that it is California, but the Houseboat episode and the Traffic Jam episode could suggest that. Also it doesnt snow on the show and they do go to the mountians in " Hal's Christmas Gift ", actually, maybe it is California

In the house boat episode, that appears to be a river and or lake. If it was CA or they drove there from CA It might be Lake Mead and the Colorado River, or Lake Havasu.


I think it is on purpose not possibly any one place in America. It is like the Simpsons in that respect I think.

The Simpsons are in OR. Springfield is a town in most states, but the one in the Simpsons is actually based on St. Helens, OR.


I just saw the episode where the boys are at the carnival. Abe's license plate is a california license plate and he says he just got the van. So to answer everyones question, I have come to the conclusion the family lives in CALIFORNIA

Stevie's family is pretty well off. They may have just moved from California, where you can sell your crummy little house for $200,000 and make out like a bandit anywhere else in the country. They often do this and drive up the housing prices where they move to. But this was before the market fell like one of those cakes that do when you make too much noise.


Brilliant finds all! That's a damn nicely decorated place. You couldn't imagine the Wilkersons living there - except in Dewey's fertile imagination

Rich


that's the place on the other side of that portal in the mom's closet.


wherever it is, it rarely snows but it does happen. i remember in one of the intro clips Mal, Reese, and Dewey fooled the old lady like three times to get things out of her. in one of their schemes they wore winter clothes and said "we shoveled your yard" and then when Hal said in another episode "it hasn't snowed in a year"

i don't know if that helps at all, lol

these colors match Winetonka High School in Kansas City, MO

Seal87
Sep 6, 2009, 05:50 AM
San Mateo, where the creator is from, if it has to be based on any real world place.

Freack
Sep 7, 2009, 08:31 PM
Hey, I just wonder which city the Wilkeson live's in?

Millbrook,
Reese had an MPD hat which would mean Millbrook police deparment. In the Reese joins the Army episodes, Hal was aressted, but when he went to the Library and said he was with the bomb squad none of the cops or people knew who he was execpt for the guy who told him to go there. It would make sense if the Library was in another city since in the Billboard episode they travel to other cities to buy items. Hal also says he is with the Millbrook bomb squad.

Richiepiep
Oct 14, 2009, 09:57 AM
See article thread (http://www.malcolminthemiddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2495)

In another unusual creative decision, certain key details in "Malcolm in the Middle'' - also starring Jane Kaczmarek as the no-nonsense mom, Lois; Bryan Cranston as the dad, Hal; and Christopher Kennedy Masterson as their smooth-talking oldest son, Francis - are kept ambiguous. For example, the family's last name, city of residence, the dad's exact profession and the show's time period are never discussed.

Add to that the touchy question of Malcolm's age. When the pilot was shot in 1999, Muniz easily passed for his character's age of 9. Since then, he's grown a foot taller and started to look post- instead of prepubescent

"We've decided not to say anything about his age on the show,'' Boomer said. 'It's like the city they live in. We're just saying he's attending middle school, not the actual grade level. We don't want to be locked into something. Kids are so protean with what they say, anyway. Sometimes they act like 9-year-olds and sometimes like 30-year-olds.''

jKl
Nov 21, 2009, 01:17 AM
I just wanna add..

Wherever they live, it's a twenty-six hour bus ride to Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, Canada. I dunno if that helps or not, but it's from the episode where Reese throws a party, but it ends up turning into a bunch of guys using the garage as a meth lab.

tjpeople
Nov 21, 2009, 03:52 AM
Welcome jKl and thanks :)

K174
May 23, 2010, 01:21 PM
I have very little idea why but I've always assumed it was set in Oklahoma, apart from several production goofs, many things such as minimum wage, distances from key geographical landmarks and the education system match up to Oklahoma, but again, I don't have nearly as much evidence as others have

Edit: In reference to Richiepiep's post, I'm pretty sure the time period was mentioned several times as being in the same year as it went out, but that article doesn't seem to be completely accurate anyway

ILoveMITM
Oct 11, 2010, 06:14 AM
This used to be on Wiki if it helps:


The setting of the show has never been revealed, though their street address – 12334 Maple Blvd. Millbrook – was identified in episode 81 ("Reese's Party"). The house which is used for external shots is privately owned, and is situated in the Studio City district of Los Angeles, California, at 12334 Cantara Street.[9] Filming also took place at 20th Century Fox Studio - 10201-Pico Boulevard in the Century City district of Los Angeles; at Walter Reed Middle School in Los Angeles and in Santa Clarita, California.[10] There are several instances where California license plates are visible, including the family vehicle in "(Traffic Jam)". In "Stock Car Races", when Hal and the boys are entering a race track, the billboard behind the entrance displays the place as Irwindale Speedway, a real race track in Southern California. In seasons six and seven, however, the license plates on the cars are from Oklahoma ("Hal's Christmas Gift" and "Malcolm Defends Reese"). The last episode in the first season ("Waterpark") was filmed at a waterpark called "Wild Rivers" located in Southern California, but in the episode the waterpark was called "Wavetown USA". In the episode "Monkey" when Reese gets an honour from the police, the hat he is seen wearing has the letters MPD on it, suggesting the name of the city begins with the letter M. The baseball and softball episodes were filmed in a city park in Sherman Oaks, California.

MellonCollie1984
Dec 17, 2012, 01:41 PM
Hi, all...I'm new here. Although this topic seems to be somewhat outdated, I just recently found this site and felt the need to reply regarding the location of the "Wilkersons" on MITM.

I scanned through all of the pages on this topic, and was surprised that no one mentioned the Season 5 episode, "Victor's Other Family". If anyone did and I missed it, my apologies.

In this episode, Lois and the kids are going to visit Lois' half-sister in Canada...before they leave, Reese makes a comment about little Jamie crying and says something to the effect of, "21 hours of this". With the crappy condition of their vehicle in mind, 21 hours is still a very long drive.

I'm originally from Ohio, and have lived in New Jersey and now currently live in Delaware. I've also been all over the USA, as I was in the military. Being from Ohio, I can tell you that there are no landscapes such as what's depicted on MITM - we have no dry, desert-like climate/environment and definitely no palm trees. As a matter of fact, there's rarely a winter/cold season where there's not several feet of snow. I'm only mentioning this since several people made the comment that perhaps they're from Ohio. I can also guarantee that it wouldn't take 21 hours to get into Canada from Ohio, as well. However, since the USA shares it's entire northern border with Canada, their point of entry into the country has so many possibilities...but I'd be willing to bet that they went up through the western province of British Columbia, probably in the Vancouver area.

I've grown to accept, for my own inquiring "always needing to know more" mind, that MITM takes place in California - however, I've considered the possibilities of it being located in Arizona, New Mexico or Nevada as well, judging by the landscape/environment depicted in the show.

I've tried many times to look at license plates, but it's all for nothing. I've never seen a plate that depicts their state, and I think that's intentional. I found it funny, in one episode's cold opener, Lois is putting a picture in her wallet, and her driver's license is shown. I paused Netflix to take a look, and not only do they not show the state on the license (as American licenses do), but the picture wasn't even of Lois! LOL. I just found that funny. I'm sure that they weren't expecting people like us to analyze things such as this!

I LOVE this show - it's unusual, witty and hilarious. One thing I'd like to point out that makes the show more real for me is that the overall set of the house doesn't look like your typical television series set. What I mean by this is that the lighting is just right (no ridiculous fluorescent lighting because of the soundstage), and there's a "real" feeling about the house because there's rarely a proverbial fourth wall...meaning we see all angles of the house. I've always been interested in TV show sets, and I found this one to be most interesting because of its realism. Matter of fact, when I first started watching the show, I thought that maybe they had filmed the interior in a REAL house...so great job with set design, MITM!

Okay, that's all from me - great site, great forum, and excellent discussion topics! :-)

smlime16
Dec 17, 2012, 10:17 PM
Very good points. I personally believe they live in California, a common thought. But I wonder where in California? What area would be so far from Canada? My guess is that it it is somewhere in equal distance as Arizona. I don't believe the family is from Nevada because of the episode "Vegas." If they lived in Nevada, it would be possible for Hal to sneak off without bringing the whole family. (Let me know if that is unlikely/ ridiculous) They also mention in this episode that they live 10 hours from Vegas. For me that puts them in Southern California. Also, the fact that Francis takes a plane to visit while he is working in a west(?) southern state (dry desert land) I believe that the Wilkerson's live a decent distance due to the fact that they would not pay for plane tickets if not necessary. Therefore, they are probably very west, in California rather than Arizona or New Mexico.