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rzombie1988
May 15, 2007, 03:49 PM
Hey guys,

I know the easy answer to this one is FOX's carelessness towards MITM in general(With football/time changes/bad promotion), but would anyone be willing to offer some different theories?

Personally, what I've always wondered is why people stopped watching prior to the third episode(The 2nd episode had 26 million viewers). Especially since Red Dress is my favorite episode.

AlexTheMartian
May 15, 2007, 07:44 PM
I think for adults point of view they grown up and were no longer the little cute troublemakers. I think that is why my parents didn't really watch it anymore after first or second season.

Also, maybe, for those who watched Season 1, then somehow didn't pick up watching it when the next season started, and then at a later time they tried to watch it again, they would realize that the show is no longer mainly focused on Malcolm, and it didn't really have that breaking the 4th wall anymore. That might have turned off some people from picking it up again. But for those of us that continued with the series throughout, we appreciate the changes happening on the show, and really that is what got us to keep watching the show, every character had their own in-depth story.

Gouki
May 15, 2007, 09:56 PM
People didn't want to see the kids grow up, or they just simply became bored with it. Similar thing has happened with Scrubs, which also had/is havign a pretty awful sixth season.

Tyno
May 16, 2007, 03:17 AM
Well, they stopped watching is 'cause it went less good. Season 5 is kinda "bad" (well, not that good at least). It's a shame 'cause I think that the two last season were really good.
Anyway, the drop of audience is happening with all of the shows after a few seasons: people get bored and wanna see new series.

Gouki
May 16, 2007, 04:40 AM
Well, they stopped watching is 'cause it went less good. Season 5 is kinda "bad" (well, not that good at least). It's a shame 'cause I think that the two last season were really good.
Anyway, the drop of audience is happening with all of the shows after a few seasons: people get bored and wanna see new series.

Interesting. I thought Season five was really enjoyable, and season six was the bad one.

But, yeah, last time I took a look at the voting/rankings of the episodes, a lot of really good episodes were rated lowly, purely because they dealt with things like girlfriends, drinking and other such activities which make the fangirls/fanboys cringe because it ruins the idolised images they have of these characters.

MalcolmFun
May 21, 2007, 05:01 AM
I know the easy answer to this one is FOX's carelessness towards MITM in general(With football/time changes/bad promotion), but would anyone be willing to offer some different theories?

I really think that is the number 1 reason. Also the fact that it was even on Sunday with Fox's animated line up in the first place really hurt it. That only added to the (false) perception it was a kids show. However popular Simpsons is, and however long it has been on, most people over 30 still simply are never tuning into Fox's Sunday lineup. Lots of times it was up against 60 minutes, one of the top rated news shows, or against sports. Malcolm should have been on a weeknight for seven years like other sitcoms that adults watch.

I think it is quite possible for some people (and kids themselves) to watch Malcolm and after an episode or 2 conclude it was a kids show. They may have only watched because they like the overt funny things that happen, as if Malcolm was like the Threee Stooges (bee shooting robots, giant sling shots, Malcolm and Reese fighting ect). On top of the wackiness and physical comedy that is first apparent, there is a whole other layer of intellectual comedy that goes right over many people's head's. I think what happened is over time those who just liked the superficial elements, that there were funny kids ect... well those fans got bored and didnt watch after a couple seasons. In fact the kids grew up so if that was the main reason you are a fan you begin to say things like the later seasons were not as good...

If you don't see the intellectual comedy, psychology ect.. then you will lose interest over time. Teenagers being obnoxious is naturally not as cute as Malcolm and Reese rolling on the floor in the pilot. The fans who only liked the zany antics of some kids in the first seasons would not even really comprehend the premise of episodes like Billboard, Zoo, Pearl Harbor or Hal Greaves. I mean the season 2 episode Bowling won an emmy. Do you think anyone under about 16 even understands what is going on in that episode? I doubt it. I almost think you really have to have taken at least psych 101 to really understand some of the Malcolm episodes.

Basically, Malcolm in the Middle got screwed by being grouped with or as a kid or kid friendly show from the begining, when actually much of the jokes kids wouldn't even understand. These fans jumped off the Malcolm train as the family became less cute and more grown up and they never realized there is a whole other layer to the show. Even after seven years on the air there are lots of people who thought it was just a silly show about kids and never tuned in.

yardgames
May 22, 2007, 05:17 PM
You raise a couple of good points. Scheduling not just timewise, but the day they chose is an interesting suggestion. And I agree that it took me awhile to understand what was happening in Bowling. :D

In my experience my mom stopped watching because she disliked Lois' yelling and decided the show was pretty much becoming a shoutfest; my dad stopped watching because he had other things to watch during the same time period.

AlexTheMartian
May 22, 2007, 06:41 PM
You raise a couple of good points. Scheduling not just timewise, but the day they chose is an interesting suggestion. And I agree that it took me awhile to understand what was happening in Bowling. :D

In my experience my mom stopped watching because she disliked Lois' yelling and decided the show was pretty much becoming a shoutfest; my dad stopped watching because he had other things to watch during the same time period.

yeah my parents were the same way

APK
May 23, 2007, 05:18 PM
I haven't seen enough of the later seasons to say whether there was a decline in quality or not (I've seen the first season, half of the second season and a handful of episodes from seasons four and five) but many people seem to say that the show wasn't as good in the later years, so that may have been a factor. And perhaps, as other people have suggested, people didn't like some of the changes.

Deweyrules!
Jun 3, 2007, 12:36 PM
BBC in the UK seem to be adopting a similar attitude to Fox. Season 5 (shown last year) got a regular (but completely unadvertised) Sunday night slot; the run was frequently interrupted by other programmes. This year, season 6 seems to have begun but is just shown whenever the BBC can be bothered at whatever day and time it will fit.
It think, being a show that appeals to a really diverse audience the networks/channels don't actually know what to do with it.

MalcolmFun
Jun 4, 2007, 03:34 AM
I wish it was easy to find out what the ratings are. I have a suspicion that because of some of the issues I mentioned lots of people have never seen most of the episodes plus Malcolm is pretty fun as far repeat viewing goes -so ratings in syndication might actually be higher then expected when compared to when it was airing new (in it's supposedly good primetime slots)

In my area it has already been in syndication daily for years. This year it is now increased to being on twice daily in the evenings. I was curious and really checked the TV guide. I found the only other show in syndication on any of the US broadcast stations to match this schedule, is Seinfeld.

(If Malcolm is raking in syndication money like Seinfeld, our fravorite actors here must be rolling in it)

Gouki
Jun 4, 2007, 07:04 AM
I wish it was easy to find out what the ratings are. I have a suspicion that because of some of the issues I mentioned lots of people have never seen most of the episodes plus Malcolm is pretty fun as far repeat viewing goes

Well, the series never finished in Australia. I don't think it ever got to the end of season six. I had to download everything (and even then I'm still missing Season 3 and half of season 4--thank god it's up to season 3 on Foxtel five nights a week).

And it's one of three sitcoms I could watch over and over again, because the humour is so brilliantly done, the characters realistic and the dynamics a joy to watch.

yardgames
Jun 4, 2007, 11:16 PM
With respect to ratings, I don't have exact numbers for the majority of the episodes; you have to pay Nielsen to get those. I do know that the Pilot had 20 million viewers--unprecedented for a sitcom--and Red Dress had 23 million. I know that in season six they were averaging 2 million and for Graduation they mustered 4 million. As far as syndication ratings, only Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, and Seinfeld consistently rank higher.

AlexTheMartian
Jun 4, 2007, 11:33 PM
With respect to ratings, I don't have exact numbers for the majority of the episodes; you have to pay Nielsen to get those. I do know that the Pilot had 20 million viewers--unprecedented for a sitcom--and Red Dress had 23 million. I know that in season six they were averaging 2 million and for Graduation they mustered 4 million. As far as syndication ratings, only Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, and Seinfeld consistently rank higher.

your saying only those 4 shows have higher syndicated ratings? That's actually pretty impressive :thumbup1:, that the only comedy watched more then MITM is Seinfeld. Or did I misunderstand?

yardgames
Jun 5, 2007, 12:07 AM
No, you understood correctly. Of course, this data is a year or two old now. But still, that's pretty good.

MalcolmFun
Jun 5, 2007, 12:31 AM
As far as syndication ratings, only Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, and Seinfeld consistently rank higher.

I suspected as much, like I said, based on the fact that no other shows have good enough ratings to be on twice a day on a major network. But where did you get this data?

yardgames
Jun 8, 2007, 02:52 PM
It was oddly enough in a local newspaper a while back. But it was national data they got Nielsen's or Zap2it or something like that. I really don't remember exactly.

backfence
Jul 21, 2007, 11:39 PM
2 million an episode in season six and series finale only got 4m? that's just sad, i know it had a good run but i think mitm is better than that. if i'm not mistaken the pilot got 23 million viewers and red dress 26 million viewers? i liked the later seasons better for many reasons, and of course i had to tune into the finale, after watching malcolm in middle school and all of high school, it was a real treat to see him finally graduate high school, subtly symbolic to everything he's accomplished up to that point.

yardgames
Jul 25, 2007, 12:24 PM
I agree that it was a little disappointing, but part of it you really do have to blame squarely on the Fox marketing department. BTW, your viewership numbers for Pilot and Red Dress are correct.

PBUNDY
Jul 25, 2007, 01:32 PM
It was ridiculous how there was no advertising at all for the series finale of Malcolm in the Middle. Every other show on FOX has incredibly heavy advertising, but apparently FOX didn't think that Malcolm in the Middle deserved it.

MalcolmFun
Jul 27, 2007, 06:48 AM
My theory is it seems like the War at Home was a show that purposely was designed to take over Malcolm's slot at the network. It is another show about a 'family' that can take its place with much lower production costs. How can the ratings be any different? So who cares if Malcolm is the funniest sitcom of all time give it a crap timeslot and cancel sometime soon. You would think someone would pay for that type of foolish descision after War at Home crashes and burns but it doesnt seem to work that way.

AlexTheMartian
Jul 27, 2007, 10:31 PM
Well, I must say, Malcolm in the Middle did very well for a comedy airing on FOX. FOX seems to be better with Dramas and Cartoons. almost any comedy on FOX has its time slot juggled around a lot. and for MITM to last 7 seasons in that kind of situation, that is good. That '70s Show only has 1 more season (but that last one had only 22 episodes instead of 25), so it is about the same.